Then delta gamma made quota. Congrats to Alpha Nu chapter and all the NPC groups.

Two questions:

1: Were first round cuts predetermined?

2: How much information do the PNMs know about the sororities after the first party? I know some schools list the chapter GPA on their website. It seems that the most recent information from USC schools is from 2010. Do the PNMs know if the sorority is or has been the recipient of any university discipline within the last three years?

Membership selection is private.

Why am I flashing on MacBeth...the three witches? (double bubble toil and trouble?

Thank you DBB, but I think Alabama was transparent on my first question.

As for my second question, why should I provide my daughter with $5000 dues if the chapter will be revoked before her graduation? I know some schools where the GPA range is less than 0.25, but if a chapter is significantly higher or lower than the average is that a secret?

Lastly, if a chapter is predominantly Christian I would think science majors would like this information.

1. None of your business or anyone else's outside of the individual chapters, for that matter.

2. How in the world would we know what PNMs know at any point in recruitment?

Carnation, I tried. I really did. (Do I hear that sound? yup. Here it comes).

for ellebud: Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, that struts and frets his hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more; it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

If you look on the general Panhelleni site you will find out that the sororities have a higher average than the student body in general.

There is one Christian house on campus. I do not have a clue to their beliefs with regard to sciences. BUT, as I Jew I find it offensive that you would equate all or some Christians Greeks or not with what I perceive as a far right backwater feelings about science. I believe that one can practice their faith and medicine at the same time...whether the person is a practicing Jew, Christian, Muslim or Hindu...whatever.

You are aware that this is Los Angeles...right?

If a chapter had any RM issues in the past you can't always use that as an indication to the future. Maybe those issues were with only a few ladies and those ladies are no longer with the chapter.

If your daughter wanted to know this info she could have asked during recruitment.

Really?! Wow.

Surely, surely, you aren't inferring that these are mutually exclusive. Surely.

If so, well, I guess I have been doing my science-based profession AND my Christian faith wrong for the past 20 years.

Sheesh.

ss to offend you ellebud, that was not my intent. I was just thinking of the statistics that say only twenty-five percent of scientists believe in Christ, and the rest of it. DD has friends that are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, and Hindi. However most of her friends are atheist or agnostic.

fwiw, most medical professionals take minimum classes in math, physics, and chemistry. They really are not considered scientists.

Also while the sororities may have a higher average GPA, is it statistically significant?

I really bought into the whole story that sororities are different that what I knew when I was in college. But after all the 'cool party' talk and lack of interest in charity activities during convo days I am confused. Perhaps the large recruitment class forced many actives to take part in first round without the proper preparation.

QFP.

Mevara, of course past issues will not predict the future. I just wonder if PNMs know if there is already a strike against the chapter.

Let me relate a story that was told to me by Dennis Prager. Many years ago Dennis was the director of a Jewish think tank where I was also a member. The question about faith and science was raised as to whether one could be a scientist and a religious Jew.

Dennis's brother was a doctor...And when asked how he could be so religious, see death and disease given to humans by God...Dennis told us that his brother said that every time he looked into a microscope he saw God's handiwork...

Elie Weisel was also a speaker. When he was asked how, as a survivor of The death camps who Mr. Weisel could ever believe in God...Elie Weisel said that God was absent in the Nazi soul...but God was present when one starving child shared his crust of bread with another.

I may be a bit philosophical but faith and science are not mutually exclusive...Faith and belief may make one a better person...and then a better doctor/scientist/researcjer/

Wow, so much drams since I last visited this thread! I'm not going to even try to make sense of what KitKat is saying. I kind of hope that she's using an iPhone to type her posts, and auto-correct is getting the best of her.

To circle back for a moment:
Just what DubaiSis and APhi4Ever said (thanks for helping clarify on my behalf, ladies!) - I meant to stick up for DG regarding the comment that they "didn't do as well" by getting fewer women than the other chapters. Often the quantity of new members doesn't correspond to how well a chapter recruited. I was trying to avoid a rankings conversation, but perhaps I was a little too oblique.


and...
I thought the GA and/or RFM specialist could withhold QAs if a chapter doesn't follow RFM return and release numbers during recruitment (i.e. they under-invited)? It seems like Greek advisors have a lot of latitude in terms of how they handle QAs.

KSU: If a PNM has 300+ hours in the chapter's favorite charity how can they be deselected from future recruitment without poor grades or a felony?

ss, I guess I am asking a membership question.

What are you saying? Do you know how competitive recruitment is at these schools? And why are we all of a sudden talking about Bama in the USC thread?

Again

ss ellebud, but I am just mentioning the majority of a poll. and we all know what they say about statistics.....

for your entertainment:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...hlight=alabama

That is indeed a membership selection question.

I don't know all of the membership selection criteria for those groups and even if I did, it's private information.

However, I WILL tell you that grades are just one factor. There are many others. It's not just "good grades, she's in!" or "oh look at how much she volunteers, she's in!!!"

Those are standard things and guess what? Every other Bama PNM has them.

It takes more than just those things to get a bid, especially when the vast majority of PNMs have extremely high GPAs and resumes FULL of activities.

This particular thread is a good read for you (as it covers some of those intangible factors that a lot of really disappointed moms and PNMs fail to see):

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...d.php?t=121568

In short, I'm sorry your child didn't get a bid. But to suggest that the women in chapters are somehow intellectually inferior or airheaded because they cut your daughter is really off base. And rude.

??? I'm not sure what school you are asking about (you mentioned Alabama, but on a USC thread).

Some sororities maintain GPAs significantly above the average for undergrad women (I assume .5, for instance, would represent a level of significance on a 4-point scale), and some sororities fall below the average for undergrad women. Link to a grade report sorted for comparison (Alabama Office of Greek Affairs):

http://greekaffairs.ua.edu/documents...evised_001.pdf

I think the average for sorority women is still slighty above the average for all undergrad women, however.

Other grade reports and stats at Alabama (including a link to past recruitment stats as well):

http://greekaffairs.ua.edu/resources.cfm

Ksu:

Thank you for the post. I need to reiterate that I was lead to believe that present day sororities were not about the "who you know" culture. Please don't tell mothers during orientation that you care about grades, charity, and leadership.

Hart:

I'm pretty sure you cannot stay in the sorority without the minimum GPA.

But we do.

And by request of several of you, we need to temporarily close this thread. It will be back soon.