Racist, and arrogant too.

Is the cheering section done yet?

Your brain is still on page 1 of this thread. Fix that. And you are the only one who brought up and keeps bringing up white privilege in this thread.


I do not call individuals racist. But, he's definitely unrelentingly slow.

Sure, you've evolved since then and moved on. It doesn't matter that this was a CHILD or actually, no, you pretty much haven't backed off of that one. Perhaps you can educate us on how your world view has evolved since then? It is now okay to taser a CHILD or it never is? You were wanting guidelines and casting racial aspersions and refusing to commit to anything and now I'm the slow one?

Jesus Christ.

You weren't there. I give a shit about the police officer who was arresting a multiple felon who was being interfered with by another adult and a young lady who got tasered and likely deserved it. If the St. Louis PD stands behind him, so do I. If new facts emerge, that could change. Until that time, I'll take the word of a law enforcement officer over that of a convicted drug trafficker.

Who I don't give a shit about is the arrested individual unless you can demonstrate her rights were somehow violated and the child and adult who interfered with an officer. Hope they learned their lesson.

Hmmm...let me break this down for you. Some of us are discussing whether tasering policies and practices should vary by age (and perhaps other characteristics that have been mentioned in this thread such as mental condition). As PiKA2001 stated, there are already policies and practices regarding tasering children and there are exceptions to these policies and practices. That is the larger issue that some of us were looking at in order to see beyond the specifics of these events and find commonalities. What do these incidents (how rare these incidents are does not matter since there are many things that are relatively rare but are the foundation for research, discussions, and policies) have in common and how can these commonalities fuel tasering policies and practices.

Okay.....


Dear, he who believes that "no one is holding you back but yourself," perhaps you are trying to divert attention from your horrible attempt at a Sandusky joke. You are the only person who brought up and keeps talking about white privilege in this thread. You have memory relapse if you think I ever have a problem saying exactly what I want to say and sticking to it.

Each of these incidents is unique. Examining commonalities of a lot of isolated incidents is foolish. What does this incident have with the one I posted a link to? Not one thing. Here, we likely had a felon being arrested and the adult and child interfered with that arrest and considering none of them are facing charges and only one got tased, they had a pretty good day.

AThe only reason I bring up white privilege at all is that I'm still straining to see why you injected race into this thread in the first place. That was you on the page 1 I apparently can't get past. And here you are bringing in an entirely different thread.

And this is what makes you so fucking stupid. If you had a 12-year old daughter, and a police officer tased her for whatever reason, you would be the first mofo having a cow over the shit.

You're right, and I feel you, but dude has made several remarks on here and other threads that I've read that makes me believe that he is.

Especially if I was a drug trafficking felon who didn't take a bit of personal responsibility for raising a child who was idiot enough to interfere in my arrest.

I would never and have never had an outstanding citation of any kind, so that's just a fun hypothetical that'll never come to fruition.

Nice try though, cheerleader.

No, they are not. Addressing commonalities (in addition to differences, when applicable) is part of what fuels discourse, research, and policies and practices.

...because you are the one who brought up white privilege. If you wanted to know what I meant on page 1 you should have asked for clarity pages ago.

Just like you brought up Sandusky.

Yeah. This thread is research and will result in new policies and practices. Good luck with that one.

What you said on page one was extremely clear. It was a jackass personal attack.

Would you rather I have told a Michael Jackson joke?

I wouldn't give a shit what you were. Like I said, your bitch ass would be the first mofo having a cow about it if it happened to your daughter. No, I'm not being a "cheerleader", I'm just agreeing with the facts. You're too stupid, and arrogant to even see it from another point of view.

You sound ridiculous.

Never confuse a personal attack on Kevin with a mention of white privilege. Google Image "12 year old girl" and see what you find.

Now that you have gotten the hell over it....

Tell a Kevin joke. Those are endless.

Not at all.

I'd never be in a situation like that because 1) no way in hell would I have a warrant out for my arrest; and 2) any child of mine would be respectful enough of authority not to interject themselves into my arrest which would never happen. This isn't rocket science.

I'm not seeing it from your point of view because I'm not taking a drug trafficker at her word. You apparently are. The police officer said that the child and another adult were interfering in the arrest, that's enough to justify a taser.

If you don't want to be tased, don't screw with the police. It really is that simple. That's truth no matter what color you are.

And you're expecting thread on the interwebs to lead to new understandings of commonalities which could lead to greater understanding of...?

So very likely.

LOL dude thinks it's okay for a kid of any age to get tasered. You're an idiot, and you probably are a shitty attorney, too.

ORLY? Well, piss in my Honey Bunches of Oats with Peaches and tell me it's 2% milk.

Despite Iota Man calling you racist in a previous post, the post you just responded to (and much of this thread) was about age.

You sound ridiculous.



Oooooooookay...back to more important things:

I can see that you believe a child should not be tasered. Do you think there are extenuating circumstances? People earlier in this thread mentioned young people with weapons.

I never said that.

Reading comp fail.

Even the individual you're being a cheerleader for thinks you're going too far.

And I've been very consistent in saying that age is a factor, but definitely not the only factor, and that in this case, I definitely can see the arresting officer's point of view when the child and an adult are interfering in a lawful arrest and that specific age rules are tough because age identification and particularly cross-racial age identification is very problematic when the potential child and another adult are interfering in arrest where the arrestee is already resisting.

What's so hard to understand about that?

I did not ask you to repeat anything.

You are being slow as hell. You responded to Iota Man's post about age with "that's truth no matter what color you are."

But then again, your words said you did not understand what the hell was going on. Glad to help.

And your cheerleader still apparently thinks there's a racial element to a police officer using a taser on an individual while making a lawful arrest while that individual and an adult are interfering in the arrest. I think he's a sheltered toolbag who may never have seen an arrest where folks interfered with an officer, but what the hell do you care?

Actually, Iota Man is correct. You believe that there are factors that matter more than (or as much as) age. That can be inferred to mean that you believe that a person of practically any age can be tasered if the situation warrants it. Afterall, you stated that "any child of mine would be respectful enough of authority not to interject themselves into my arrest which would never happen. This isn't rocket science. If you don't want to be tased, don't screw with the police. It really is that simple."

Iota Man is responding to someone who he believes is a racist, arrogant, idiot. That happened before this thread and has nothing to do with me.

It can be inferred that I would support the tasering of a 6-year old not carrying a bazooka? Yeah..okay.. If he thinks that, I stand by my reading com fail statement.

Sure thing. See page 1. That's not all that hard to read into.

No, you chose to repeat yourself just as you chose to discuss white privilege with yourself and chose to attempt a Sandusky joke. I simply stated that the post you were responding to was about age and not race.



It is cute that you have a need to dismiss Iota Man as a cheerleader. You think he is a sheltered toolbag and he thinks you are a sheltered racist, arrogant, idiot. Game, set, and match.

At the end of the day, you are the one who brought up white privilege in this thread and you are the one who attempted (failed) to recap page 1 simply because I stated that MysticCat and I were trying to make this a more general discussion.

If whether or not the child of ages 6-16 is brandishing a weapon (children younger than 6 can carry a handgun) is the ultimate determinant, Iota Man is correct that you believe a child of practically any age can be tasered if deemed necessary.



What does Iota Man have to do with page 1 of this thread? He labeled you a racist idiot because of the Andre Turner thread. I just labeled you an idiot.

In your imagination, what happened on page 1 of this thread? Nevermind, you still do not know. LOL.

If a weapon is involved that's endangering somebody's life, that's a different situation.

Yes, you did.

LOL says the Grand Wizard who thinks black folks should just "get over" 400 years of oppression.

You don't know what I've seen.

Or...Here's a thought: You could not make jokes about child sex abuse. Whether you are trying to make fun of the pedophile or not, the point is that it is coming across as you thinking child sex abuse is funny. If you want to derail the thread about whether or not a child should be tased--whatever but, to take it to the level of thinking sexual abuse is a laughing matter then, I have a problem with that.

This makes me think of a friend of mine who is a nurse and makes jokes about people who are mentally handicapped. I would never send my family members to a professional who makes light of something so serious. The same could be said about an attorney who views child sex abuse as something to make light of on a chat forum. I sure hope you never work with victims of sexual abuse since it appears to be a laughing matter for you.

You know nothing about me. In fact, I do a rather large amount of pro bono representing victims of abuse in juvenile deprived court after being taken away from abusive parents by child welfare services, usually trying to terminate the parents' rights. It's a very serious matter. I suppose you've never told or laughed at an off-color joke in your life?

I wasn't trying to be tasteful, neither were DrPhil or cheerleader, who think it's okay to throw around words like racist without giving it a second thought.

You've certainly not had enough contact with law enforcement to understand that officers are going to place their safety #1 and that they should. One mistake can land an officer in the morgue. An officer would be foolish not to go into an arrest with someone with a record like the suspect here and not deploy a greater degree of force in order to keep control over the situation.

So either you're sheltered and have no realistic idea as to how badly the criminal subset can behave when confronted with folks in positions of authority or you tend to side with criminals over law enforcement because you have some sort of problem with authority. Either way.

IRONY ALERT!!!

That much is obvious.

By the way, coward, stop pretending as though you attempted those sexual abuse jokes in response to Iota Man and me. By the way2, since you are delirious and therefore cannot read, stop fantasizing that I called you racist. That may be your life's dream but (as I have said tons of times on GC over the years) I do not call individuals racist. Iota Man called you racist and believes you are racist based on a previous thread.

And maybe you can stop pretending that you weren't implying racism when you said I'd likely feel different if the girl had been white. If you want to clarify, go ahead, but that was certainly how it came across.

I never said the abuse joke was in reference to anything either of you said. Again, I guess you are the other two people in the world who have never laughed at an off-color, even bad joke. And to steal one from Jeffrey Ross, if you're offended, you could do as Paterno did and just look the other way.

Sigmund Freud would have a good time with you.


Since I used Google Images to find the image of the 12 year old girl on page 1 of this thread, have you Google Imaged "12 year old girl" yet? Almost all of the images on the first 5 pages of results are 12 year old white girls with a few Asian and other nonBlack girls. These are two of the first images of "12 year old girl" who are of the more immediate Black or African Diaspora:


https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/im...jAxGJPKT_0fIPk

https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/im...SHPSJiCihzyvdg


Perhaps I needed to scour Google Images for a Black girl so that you can grasp the point being made--which does not instantly make it not about race since Black girls still have a race regardless of the discussion at hand. When you responded about white privilege and so forth, it confirmed what I assumed would happen. Now that you are over your imagination that I was calling you racist because of my effortless choice of a white 12 year old girl who actually looks under the age of 18 in Google Images, certainly you can grasp that images shape perceptions of demographic characteristics including age.

Certainly you can grasp that the media makes every effort to advertise the victimization of women and children who are often considered "beautiful," "innocent looking," and "adorable" based on mainstream standards which in turn shapes the mainstream/general public's response to the victimization of some people versus others. That has long been correlated with factors including but not limited to socioeconomic status and race and ethnicity. Even someone who believes "no one is holding you back but yourself" can grasp this. You even stated numerous times that it is difficult to gauge the age of girls and especially racial and ethnic minority girls. Rhetorical question1, how do you think that shapes perception and response from the general public and the media? Rhetorical question2, if there are some children who look their age and some children who look older than their age, and this has been linked to race and ethnicity, how does it not make sense to look at children in the same age group across races and ethnicities? Rhetorical question3, have not mainstream images of beauty and innocence around the world been linked for decades to socioeconomic status and race, ethnicity, and culture and been studied as they pertain to forms of crime and deviance and people's perceptions of crime and deviance?

"Where's the spoon?! Where's the spoon?!"


http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...aJBwbMfwGb_q2n


Interesting. Yet you cannot get over what you imagine happened on page 1 of this thread.

Says the person quoting me in their signature.

You noticed that too, eh?

LOL @ the irony in this shit.

Depends on the authority. Your post suggest that you also support this shit:

Dude was "breaking the law" and going against "authority".
http://youtu.be/ifCN7ezlDQg

They were "breaking the law" too.
http://youtu.be/o54n7HXwOhc

Dude "broke the law" by whistling at a white girl.
http://youtu.be/OMdSYxZqIXc

She "broke the law".
http://youtu.be/15p5HB-FpjI

It was the law then, so if you were around then since it's "breaking the law" and going "against authority", then you support that too. What your dumb, racist ass doesn't understand is times change, but people do not. It's the same shit, different day, you idiot.

LOL says the dumbass accusing DrPhil of calling him a racist. She never even suggested it.

Anybody seen my pom poms? Damn, I forgot, I shoved them up David Duke's ass.

So you're going to compare a 12 year old who interfered in her drug trafficking convicted parent who was shopping at Victoria's Secret instead of paying outstanding traffic citations to Rosa Parks? Are you trying to suggest this was some sort of symbolic act of civil disobedience?

Huge fail. Epic.

DrPhil clearly needs you to defend her. We've hashed that one out already. Apparently I can't get off of page 1 and she can't get over something that was said in an entirely different thread.

Aha, the construction of law abiding behavior and authority. Well played.

I disagree with the bolded and underlined and your spelling of "KKKevin".

No, Iota Man gave a general response to your failed assumption and your failed attempt at a general conclusion.

Huge success. Epic.


You apparently could not get over it but now you know your interpretation was overwhelmingly a figment of your imagination.

In contrast, what you said in that other thread was not a figment of our imagination, it was interpeted exactly how you intended, and it remains applicable.

LOL I knew you were going to come back with some dumb shit like this. No, I'm not comparing a 12 year old to Rosa Parks. I'm responding to your post. I'm trying to get your stupid ass to understand that "authority" doesn't always make the right decisions as this police officer who tased a 12 year old clearly didn't.

Your entire life is an Epic Fail. Go fuck yourself.



DrPhil is capable of defending herself. She's clearly proven that in the last few pages going back and forth with your dumbass.

Sit down and shut up, man.