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HDL66 05-19-2010 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1927261)
What does suspension mean anyway?

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1927265)
I can't speak on what it means for Miami and Pi Beta Phi, but it tends to mean that all activities on behalf of the chapter must cease and desist for a period of time unless waived by the national headquarters and/or university. This is a step beyond chapter probation/restriction.

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Originally Posted by ForeverRoses (Post 1927280)
I know Miami doesn't have sorority chapter houses, but suites instead. Does this mean the Pi Beta Phi suite closes/ gets locked up, or does it revert to a "regular" dorm wing for a year? I would assume that housing assignments have already been done for next year, so I am curious the women that were going to live there next year...

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1927406)
According to The Cincinnati Enquirer, "The suspension means the sorority loses its campus dorm suite, can't recruit new members and can't participate as a group in campus activities, Miami spokeswoman Claire Wagner said."

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Originally Posted by sceniczip (Post 1930883)
What happens when a chapter comes back after something like that? Does everyone in the Greek community accept them back with open arms or is there more tension?

I am trying to figure out how this logistically works. Quoting The Cincinnati Enquirer link above:

The suspension means the sorority loses its campus dorm suite, can’t recruit new members and can’t participate as a group in campus activities, Miami spokeswoman Claire Wagner said.

If the actives don't have a suite, do they still even have chapter meetings? Do they still have to pay dues? And in two years, all you have left is a bunch of (now) freshmen and sophomores who would have a hard time doing recruitment when they are total novices at it. Besides, if yhou can't do campus activities together, sisterhood would be really hard to maintain. (If they'd had a chapter house and lived together instead of just having suites it would have mitigated that somewhat.) Also, when the restrictions are lifted, can you take pledge classes that are 3x the normal size to get up to campus total? And what happens when three houses (TriDelta, AXiD and PiPhi) are trying to do that at the same time?

Wow. What a mess.

Drolefille 05-19-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by HDL66 (Post 1931096)
I am trying to figure out how this logistically works. Quoting The Cincinnati Enquirer link above:

The suspension means the sorority loses its campus dorm suite, can’t recruit new members and can’t participate as a group in campus activities, Miami spokeswoman Claire Wagner said.

If the actives don't have a suite, do they still even have chapter meetings? Do they still have to pay dues? And in two years, all you have left is a bunch of (now) freshmen and sophomores who would have a hard time doing recruitment when they are total novices at it. Besides, if yhou can't do campus activities together, sisterhood would be really hard to maintain. (If they'd had a chapter house and lived together instead of just having suites it would have mitigated that somewhat.) Also, when the restrictions are lifted, can you take pledge classes that are 3x the normal size to get up to campus total? And what happens when three houses (TriDelta, AXiD and PiPhi) are trying to do that at the same time?

Wow. What a mess.

The campus can't keep the girls from meeting, that would be violating their rights. I don't know whether Inter/national HQ is also suspending the chapter, although I would suspect they are, and they could prevent them from holding true chapter meetings anywhere. (Or eject them if they tried.) If they had a house, and it were owned by the school, they would probably be ejected from there as well, even if only temporarily.I don't know what a privately owned house would have done since bills have to get paid.

I've not seen how it works for a 2 year suspension, but when they're suspended for 4-5 it's essentially folding the chapter and reopening with an entirely new group. That's enough time to wipe out a lot of the bad rep too, though not all of it. It'll depend on how well the current members keep together, and who don't graduate over the next two years (because that will basically wipe out everyone but freshmen and some sophomores) but it will be almost an entirely new chapter as well.

No idea how recruitment/new member numbers will work especially if multiple groups are coming off of suspension in the same year.

/Mostly conjecture.

33girl 05-19-2010 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HDL66 (Post 1931096)
I am trying to figure out how this logistically works. Quoting The Cincinnati Enquirer link above:

The suspension means the sorority loses its campus dorm suite, can’t recruit new members and can’t participate as a group in campus activities, Miami spokeswoman Claire Wagner said.

If the actives don't have a suite, do they still even have chapter meetings? Do they still have to pay dues? And in two years, all you have left is a bunch of (now) freshmen and sophomores who would have a hard time doing recruitment when they are total novices at it. Besides, if yhou can't do campus activities together, sisterhood would be really hard to maintain. (If they'd had a chapter house and lived together instead of just having suites it would have mitigated that somewhat.) Also, when the restrictions are lifted, can you take pledge classes that are 3x the normal size to get up to campus total? And what happens when three houses (TriDelta, AXiD and PiPhi) are trying to do that at the same time?

Wow. What a mess.

What on earth would having a suite or not having a suite have to do with having meetings? :confused: You can have a meeting in the middle of a park if you really want to. If the national doesn't close the chapter, then yes, they will have to have chapter meetings.

They can live together if they want - by all taking apartments in the same on- or off-campus complex, or signing up for the same dorm, or by a small group of sisters getting a house together off campus and not putting any letters on it. You can't prevent people from doing that.

I guess I don't understand why you're focusing on things like the physical plant, when there are chapters out there who go about their entire life without ever having the things that are being taken away from the Miami chapters.

If they CHOOSE to work at and maintain their sisterhood, they'll be able to. If all their sisterhood consisted of was being seen on campus, having mixers and having a special suite to live in, they'll fold. Simple as that.

Once they come off the suspension, they HAVE to be allowed to bid up to total, whether it is through formal rush or other means. To not allow them to do so would be messing with their freedom of association rights. They can't do their time and then have the school or Panhel say "all NPC sororities are allowed to have 120 members, except you."

Katmandu 05-19-2010 05:19 PM

I thought being suspended means that they do not have official chapter meetings or participate in any way in Greek life during that time.

I thought their letter was classy. They accepted responsibility, and sounded as if they understood what they lost by immature decisions, and truly sorry for the damage to the museum and to their sorority. I hope they rebuild successfullly in two years when their suspension is completed.

Drolefille 05-19-2010 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Katmandu (Post 1931294)
I thought being suspended means that they do not have official chapter meetings or participate in any way in Greek life during that time.

I thought their letter was classy. They accepted responsibility, and sounded as if they understood what they lost by immature decisions, and truly sorry for the damage to the museum and to their sorority. I hope they rebuild successfullly in two years when their suspension is completed.

They wouldn't be able to be active on campus, but whether they have meetings off campus depends on whether their HQ suspended them as well.

Drolefille 05-20-2010 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mustang_girl (Post 1931979)
This is a big school, they don't have houses?
I know 1st and 2nd year students have to live in dorms but what kind of housing do they have for Greeks after that, just dorms?

Probably dorms/apartments on campus passed down if housing lets them (unofficially making them XYZ apartments, this used to work at SLU til they changed housing rules) as well as apartments/houses off campus.

PeppyGPhiB 05-20-2010 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mustang_girl (Post 1931979)
This is a big school, they don't have houses?
I know 1st and 2nd year students have to live in dorms but what kind of housing do they have for Greeks after that, just dorms?

Newsflash: many greek systems do not have houses, particularly sorority houses. Penn State is a big school, too, and it doesn't have sorority houses.

Psi U MC Vito 05-20-2010 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mustang_girl (Post 1931992)
Thanks for filling me in, you sound kinda bitter. Most schools do have housing that is why I asked.

Actually most schools i have experience with don't.

Drolefille 05-20-2010 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mustang_girl (Post 1931992)
Thanks for filling me in, you sound kinda bitter. Most schools do have housing that is why I asked.

You're still a bit cranky.

IrishLake 05-20-2010 11:28 PM

and even those that do have housing aren't usually big enough to hold the entire chapter. our house only had room for 7, and it was saved for juniors and seniors. sophomores lived on "The Floor", which was a wing of a dorm designated for sophomore sorority members. each sorority had a wing. my chapter has a new house now though, and all are encouraged to live in it for sophomore and junior year (considered on-campus housing, the college built and owns the house, no live-in fees, it's a part of tuition). The college only allows seniors to live off campus.

Elephant Walk 05-21-2010 12:19 AM

"you don't understand...I don't care"

God, how rad could you be?

Barbie's_Rush 05-21-2010 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1932004)
You're still a bit cranky.

Must be all those baby momma hormones.

sydney bristow 05-21-2010 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mustang_girl (Post 1932065)
I guess I should get out more, I just thought most schools had houses these days like super big schools with the tutor mansions and scarlett o'hara style houses.

What's a tutor mansion? A mansion for tutors?! I work at our school's place called "The Study" tutoring basic math...do I get to live in this mansion?!

Be gone, troll.

DrPhil 05-21-2010 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by mustang_girl (Post 1932065)
I guess I should get out more, I just thought most schools had houses these days like super big schools with the tutor mansions and scarlett o'hara style houses.

I am always surprised when I find universities (that aren't HBCUs) with Greek Life offices and a widely accepted and visible Greek presence that don't have houses. The size of the university isn't the deciding factor. I have experience with universities as small as 3,500 and as large as 30,000 that have houses on campus.

DrPhil 05-21-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sydney bristow (Post 1932127)
What's a tutor mansion? A mansion for tutors?! I work at our school's place called "The Study" tutoring basic math...do I get to live in this mansion?!

Be gone, troll.

From what I know, it's a historic mansion that was (or still is) used for tutoring and now houses fraternities and/or sororities.

Barbie's_Rush 05-21-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sydney bristow (Post 1932127)
What's a tutor mansion?

A tutor mansion is where all the dumb trolls live.

AZTheta 05-21-2010 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Barbie's_Rush (Post 1932136)
A tutor mansion is where all the dumb trolls live.

This is what I would like as my new signature... may I?

(M_E, m_g, u_a_l... see a pattern?)

Barbie's_Rush 05-21-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta (Post 1932141)
This is what I would like as my new signature... may I?

(M_E, m_g, u_a_l... see a pattern?)

I would be honored. :D

AOII Angel 05-21-2010 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta (Post 1932141)
This is what I would like as my new signature... may I?

(M_E, m_g, u_a_l... see a pattern?)

don't forget the stalking pattern! This was just posted by m_g last night:
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Are you counting down the days until the 10th anniversary?
in response to PeppyGPhiB. That gives me the creeps and sounds a little too familiar to what love bean posted to me in the thread two nights ago.

AZTheta 05-21-2010 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Barbie's_Rush (Post 1932145)
I would be honored. :D

tante grazie!

and yes, the 10th anniversary of my second root canal is approaching - how sweet of her to notice and remember. Wow. I'm so happy.

(gah! a Gambel's Quail just flew into my kitchen through the open door!)

AOII Angel 05-21-2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta (Post 1932152)
tante grazie!

and yes, the 10th anniversary of my second root canal is approaching - how sweet of her to notice and remember. Wow. I'm so happy.

(gah! a Gambel's Quail just flew into my kitchen through the open door!)

Ha! Love when wild animals get indoors! I guess it's better than the mice that frequent my house ;)

AZTheta 05-21-2010 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1932162)
Ha! Love when wild animals get indoors! I guess it's better than the mice that frequent my house ;)

It would not be such a big deal, except that quail live in families and the adult male freaked out and started making his God-awful quail screech, then the rest of the troop got all riled and starting screaming and squawking. It was quite a cacaphony.

Got the young quail out, safely. It happens this time of year; the babies are growing up but haven't quite figured everything out.

You have a lot to look forward to :D Mice generally get eaten by the rattlesnakes, or owls, or hawks, or other snakes. Not such a problem here. Packrats, on the other hand... ugh.

Drolefille 05-21-2010 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta (Post 1932170)
It would not be such a big deal, except that quail live in families and the adult male freaked out and started making his God-awful quail screech, then the rest of the troop got all riled and starting screaming and squawking. It was quite a cacaphony.

Got the young quail out, safely. It happens this time of year; the babies are growing up but haven't quite figured everything out.

You have a lot to look forward to :D Mice generally get eaten by the rattlesnakes, or owls, or hawks, or other snakes. Not such a problem here. Packrats, on the other hand... ugh.

I have never seen a quail nor had one invade my kitchen... at least you can eat quail? (not that you did obviously)

AOII Angel 05-21-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta (Post 1932170)
It would not be such a big deal, except that quail live in families and the adult male freaked out and started making his God-awful quail screech, then the rest of the troop got all riled and starting screaming and squawking. It was quite a cacaphony.

Got the young quail out, safely. It happens this time of year; the babies are growing up but haven't quite figured everything out.

You have a lot to look forward to :D Mice generally get eaten by the rattlesnakes, or owls, or hawks, or other snakes. Not such a problem here. Packrats, on the other hand... ugh.

I'm picturing a Disney style line of quail running into your house...

AOII Angel 05-21-2010 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mustang_girl (Post 1932355)
You didn't know what I was talking about or to who! It wasn't to Peggy! It was about SLU celebrating the 10th anniversary of Sigma Kappa. I would think it would be amazing to be able to celebrate that. It was an A B conversation so C your way out!

Wow...that was really lame! Sorry, love bean, but on message boards, when you have a conversation with someone but don't put it in a PM, it's public domain. Secondly, I don't believe you.

Oh...and BTW, her name is PePPy and a conversation takes TWO! That was stalking!

Drolefille 05-21-2010 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mustang_girl (Post 1932355)
You didn't know what I was talking about or to who! It wasn't to Peggy! It was about SLU celebrating the 10th anniversary of Sigma Kappa. I would think it would be amazing to be able to celebrate that. It was an A B conversation so C your way out!

You were trying to talk to me? Or was your head so far up your digestive track that you were talking to your last meal?

AOII Angel 05-21-2010 04:52 PM

Drolefille...your inbox is full

Drolefille 05-21-2010 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1932403)
Drolefille...your inbox is full

OMG fixed it.

AZTheta 05-21-2010 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1932195)
I have never seen a quail nor had one invade my kitchen... at least you can eat quail? (not that you did obviously)

yes you can eat quail ... YUM ... but not in season now. Not til Labor Day.

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1932204)
I'm picturing a Disney style line of quail running into your house...

If only it had been that prosaic. There was a lot of flapping around inside, big dogs underfoot trying to help me catch it, family outside freaking out, flying at the windows (which have those audubon decals on them b/c I got sick of kamikaze suicides and constantly cleaning my windows) and screeching and much celebration when the errant family member was returned to the ranks.

AOII Angel 05-21-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AzTheta (Post 1932457)
yes you can eat quail ... YUM ... but not in season now. Not til Labor Day.



If only it had been that prosaic. There was a lot of flapping around inside, big dogs underfoot trying to help me catch it, family outside freaking out, flying at the windows (which have those audubon decals on them b/c I got sick of kamikaze suicides and constantly cleaning my windows) and screeching and much celebration when the errant family member was returned to the ranks.

If it were at my house, the screaming would have been from me!

AZTheta 05-21-2010 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1932467)
If it were at my house, the screaming would have been from me!

You Crack Me Up :D

Drolefille 05-21-2010 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mustang_girl (Post 1932542)
Sorry doll but you shouldn't comment if you don't know what you are speaking about! Don't try to bitch at me when you had the whole story wrong. If you don't know who I was even speaking to don't try to make an asinine comment about it!

Your momma.

Psi U MC Vito 05-21-2010 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mustang_girl (Post 1932542)
Sorry doll but you shouldn't comment if you don't know what you are speaking about! Don't try to bitch at me when you had the whole story wrong. If you don't know who I was even speaking to don't try to make an asinine comment about it!

huh? wtf are you talking about?

Drolefille 05-21-2010 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1932580)
huh? wtf are you talking about?

She's crazy, also she can't decide who she's talking to.

exlurker 05-27-2010 05:30 PM

Update May 27, 2010: Alpha Phi at Dayton: Penalties

Station WHIO's site reports:

http://www.whiotv.com/news/23696082/detail.html

Excerpt:

Posted: 11:24 am EDT May 27, 2010
Updated: 2:54 pm EDT May 27, 2010

DAYTON, Ohio -- A University of Dayton disciplinary board has placed the campus chapter of Alpha Phi sorority on one-year probation for damaging a downtown Dayton banquet hall during a late March social event.

According to University officials, the chapter will be required to make full restitution to the University for $2,309, which the University paid to the hall's owners for repairs; engage in alcohol-education activities; and make public written apologies to the University of Dayton campus community as well as the Dayton community.

During the probation, which extends through May 15, 2011, all sorority events must be alcohol-free and the group is prohibited from holding events off campus. . . .



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Originally Posted by IrishLake (Post 1929317)
Looks like it's happened again in SW Ohio, this time at University of Dayton.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...ty-705529.html

This one has yet to make huge media waves, and it appears the college will be holding individuals more responsible, even though Alpha Phi will be undergoing a disciplinary hearing soon. Some girls were gracious enough to go back to the venue and apologize face to face as well.

You know... I don't know what it is about SW Ohio recently... but it's making me wonder. Is this behavior nothing new, and it's just making public news now? Has it gotten this out of hand because GLOs havent been punished enough in the past for similar things? Is it a geographical thing? I've noticed high school parties around here make high school parties in columbus and northern ohio look like friday night bingo at the church hall. Or is it a new trend? Or is it the dates that are taking advantage of the situation (it's not THEIR organization, afterall)? Or is it just a lack of alcohol education and lessons in responsibility? Is it like this everywhere else in the US?

Probation and suspension were nothing I ever experienced in college. None of the 4 sororities at my small school would dare test the limits like this. Even the fraternities were never that bad...Sig Pi's were put on social probation for one year for having a party with kegs that didnt get registered with campus security, but that's all I can remember. I'm not saying we were goodies who never had parties... I just never saw anyone get to the point where school or National GLO discipline was needed.


ComradesTrue 05-31-2010 10:10 AM

What in the name of all that is holy is going on at Miami? The following was taken from the ZTA national website

Official Statement from Zeta Tau Alpha on Beta Delta Chapter at Miami University

Zeta Tau Alpha Fraternity agrees with and respects the decision made May 27 by Miami University (Oxford, Ohio) to place our Beta Delta Chapter on probation for two years.

A small percentage of our members violated our national policies while traveling by bus to a social event at the Cincinnati Zoo on April 23, 2010. Their conduct did not reflect the standards and values of our Fraternity. Prior to the university hearing, our National Council had conducted our own investigation that resulted in a Fraternity-imposed probation and educational sanctions that the chapter must follow when school reopens in August.

“We regret that the actions of some of our members and their guests were inappropriate,” National President Laura Ladewig Mauro said. “Our internal investigation revealed that the majority of our members and their guests conducted themselves properly during the party at the zoo and on the buses. However, we teach our members that their individual actions reflect on the whole chapter and the entire Fraternity and we must remain diligent in reinforcing our values.”

Zeta Tau Alpha installed Beta Delta Chapter at Miami on March 18, 1926. The chapter has been a consistent recipient of Fraternity awards since 2000.

Zeta Tau Alpha was founded in 1898 at the State Female Normal School (now Longwood University) in Farmville, Va., and has 152 active collegiate chapters and more than 205,000 members worldwide. One of the nation’s largest Greek women’s groups, ZTA develops members’ leadership, academic and service skills, and supports breast cancer education and awareness as its national philanthropy.

Link Here

AOII Angel 05-31-2010 10:16 AM

So now the question remains why two years from ZTA and AXiD and only one for Pi Phi?

I think the administration and all remaining groups at Miami need to take a hard look at Greek Life at Miami. 4 NPC organizations have been seriously sanctioned or closed in the past year. That is really scary.

sydney bristow 05-31-2010 11:23 AM

What in the name of all that is holy is going on in Ohio!?!?!

LaneSig 05-31-2010 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1937323)
So now the question remains why two years from ZTA and AXiD and only one for Pi Phi?

I think the administration and all remaining groups at Miami need to take a hard look at Greek Life at Miami. 4 NPC organizations have been seriously sanctioned or closed in the past year. That is really scary.

Just pointing out: ZTA is on probation, not suspension. Alpha Xi Delta and Pi Beta Phi were suspended. I know it's only semantics, but it does make a difference.

AOII Angel 05-31-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LaneSig (Post 1937339)
Just pointing out: ZTA is on probation, not suspension. Alpha Xi Delta and Pi Beta Phi were suspended. I know it's only semantics, but it does make a difference.

Ah..thanks, Lane. That does make a difference. I hadn't noticed that.


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