Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1820065)

I always thought that McCartney should own a larger portion than Jackson did, since he was a Beatles. Maybe he did.

Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1820075)

Well then he should have gotten whatever he needed in order to purchase it. There are artists who don't own their own catalogs. It is just the nature of the business.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1820053)

Paul and Yoko had ample opportunities to purchase the catalogue, but MJ just outbid them. Even Yoko said that it was better to have someone not related to the Beatles to own the songs. I don't know how I feel about it. We're going to learn a lot soon.

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1820086)

I know I'll get flamed for this, but I think it's all a big ole Velvet Goldmine style hoax. He's probably on Marlon Brando's Tahitian island.

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1820084)

Perhaps someone not related, but not necessarily Michael Jackson. LOL.

Outbid is outbid, but his outbidding never sat well with me.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1820090)

Have you ever heard Paul's story about how he was the one who encouraged MJ to buy songs? Paul invokes a squeaky voice. It's hilarious.

I think Paul should have the songs too.

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1820087)

That crossed my mind yesterday when TMZ was the only source that claimed he had passed and CNN took so darn long. I think he's really deceased, though.

I will NOT do him like they did Elvis and TuPac. No No No. LOL.

Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1820096)

No, I'm not going that route either. I believe Elvis is dead and unfortunately Michael is dead. However, I DO believe that Tupac is still alive. In fact CNN reported seeing him in Beverly Hills a few years ago. But then, allegedly they had to take the story down because of issues surrounding his death. The story from CNN was that his death was faked because he had to enter the witness protection program after ratting out a major crime figure shortly before the time when he "died."

Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1820096)

However, I DO believe that Tupac is still alive.

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1819964)

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1820110)

The concert ticket refund is the no-brainer. But, think about it: people bought plane tickets and booked hotel rooms for a concert where the performer just died. Unless their travel insurance considers this a "covered" event, there could possibly be a number of ticket cancellations.

What will this do to the travel industry?

Originally Posted by sdeason1 (Post 1820157)

isn't this about normal? The king of pop is dead, now, lets see how much money can be derived from his death. you can bet there will be a lot of people buying anything M J ever did.
one wonders if he and the king meet if teh king will kick M J butt for marrying his daughter lisa marie?

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1820148)

And now....

The body isn't cold yet but the estate battle begins to heat up

Originally Posted by sdeason1 (Post 1820157)

isn't this about normal? The king of pop is dead, now, lets see how much money can be derived from his death. you can bet there will be a lot of people buying anything M J ever did.
one wonders if he and the king meet if the king will kick M J butt for marrying his daughter lisa marie? also lest we forget ed mcmahon and farrah to becoming postscripts with his death.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1820179)

Tom, put down the moonshine.

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1820178)

The world certainly lost a decent dancer, and an even worse person. Rest in peace, sweet prince.

Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1820216)

I posted this in the other thread, but does anyone else get thrown off by the use of "MJ?" I always link MJ to Michael Jordan, not Michael Jackson. When people were mentioning that "MJ" died, my first thought was "Seriously, Jordan?"

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1820209)

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1820227)

It's certainly not his fault - merciless beatings and fame are a poor recipe for childhood - but it's hard to whitewash everything except his (incredibly deep and innovative) music catalog.

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1820235)

Rest in peace.

ETA: Note that this post is different than saying "decent dancer and even worse human being...the world lost a good one...." I suspect that MJ was involved in some things that could've contributed to his passing. But, that doesn't make him a bad person to me nor does it minimize the impact of his career and his passing for those who feel impacted.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1820241)

I was going back and forth with a group of friends about this, and this is what I wrote:

"The Michael Jackson that many people are mourning has been gone for about 15 years. Nearly everyone has memories of Michael Jackson songs and videos for years before the molestation claims came to light; as someone on NPR said this morning, there's not a Michael Jackson hit that doesn't invoke memories. You remember where you were in your life when "Beat It," "Bad," or "Black or White" was popular. It's probably how our parents felt when John Lennon and Marvin Gaye died. Someone who created the soundtrack to our youth--our wonder years, as it were--is dead, and it reminds us that much more that we're getting older and we're going to die too, regardless of how they actually died.

In other words, the Michael Jackson I and at least a billion other people around the world are mourning is not the one who called his son "Blanket," who was rumored to have purchased the Elephant Man's skeleton, or the one who, as we now know, was addled with painkillers since his brush with death back in the 80s. We are mourning the little kid and the dance machine--in other words, the talented and charismatic entertainer.

It's not my place to determine the veracity of the molestation claims, but I could honestly see them going either way. I'm not a Michael Jackson fan per se; I've never purchased one of his albums, a concert ticket, or a glittery glove. That said, when I heard that he had taken ill and later died, the MJ from "Billie Jean" and the Jackson 5 popped in my head, not the pale, plastic shell of that person who he became in his later years. I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of mourners are seeing that person. He's kind of like Elvis that way."

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1820241)

I was going back and forth with a group of friends about this, and this is what I wrote:

"The Michael Jackson that many people are mourning has been gone for about 15 years. Nearly everyone has memories of Michael Jackson songs and videos for years before the molestation claims came to light; as someone on NPR said this morning, there's not a Michael Jackson hit that doesn't invoke memories. You remember where you were in your life when "Beat It," "Bad," or "Black or White" was popular. It's probably how our parents felt when John Lennon and Marvin Gaye died. Someone who created the soundtrack to our youth--our wonder years, as it were--is dead, and it reminds us that much more that we're getting older and we're going to die too, regardless of how they actually died.

In other words, the Michael Jackson I and at least a billion other people around the world are mourning is not the one who called his son "Blanket," who was rumored to have purchased the Elephant Man's skeleton, or the one who, as we now know, was addled with painkillers since his brush with death back in the 80s. We are mourning the little kid and the dance machine--in other words, the talented and charismatic entertainer.

It's not my place to determine the veracity of the molestation claims, but I could honestly see them going either way. I'm not a Michael Jackson fan per se; I've never purchased one of his albums, a concert ticket, or a glittery glove. That said, when I heard that he had taken ill and later died, the MJ from "Billie Jean" and the Jackson 5 popped in my head, not the pale, plastic shell of that person who he became in his later years. I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of mourners are seeing that person. He's kind of like Elvis that way."

Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1820243)

I think that's fair enough, but I also can't blame people who remember the other side of him. He was a polarizing figure, and I think that came through pretty clearly, both in the bizarre stories that came out in his final years, as well as the tributes that have come out after his death.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1820241)

I was going back and forth with a group of friends about this, and this is what I wrote:

"The Michael Jackson that many people are mourning has been gone for about 15 years. Nearly everyone has memories of Michael Jackson songs and videos for years before the molestation claims came to light; as someone on NPR said this morning, there's not a Michael Jackson hit that doesn't invoke memories. You remember where you were in your life when "Beat It," "Bad," or "Black or White" was popular. It's probably how our parents felt when John Lennon and Marvin Gaye died. Someone who created the soundtrack to our youth--our wonder years, as it were--is dead, and it reminds us that much more that we're getting older and we're going to die too, regardless of how they actually died.

In other words, the Michael Jackson I and at least a billion other people around the world are mourning is not the one who called his son "Blanket," who was rumored to have purchased the Elephant Man's skeleton, or the one who, as we now know, was addled with painkillers since his brush with death back in the 80s. We are mourning the little kid and the dance machine--in other words, the talented and charismatic entertainer.

It's not my place to determine the veracity of the molestation claims, but I could honestly see them going either way. I'm not a Michael Jackson fan per se; I've never purchased one of his albums, a concert ticket, or a glittery glove. That said, when I heard that he had taken ill and later died, the MJ from "Billie Jean" and the Jackson 5 popped in my head, not the pale, plastic shell of that person who he became in his later years. I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of mourners are seeing that person. He's kind of like Elvis that way."

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1820262)

It's not even this complex to me. LOL.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1820254)

I don't blame those people either--I see where they're coming from. After all, it's very easy to focus on the bad, or what's most apparent in your memory. For example, for all of the acting and singing successes Vanessa L. Williams has had, there will always be people who see her as nothing more than "Vanessa the Undresser," the girl who lost her Miss America crown after taking dirty pictures. For some people, it's easier to separate the entertainer from the scandal--especially if decades spanned between the fame and the scandal.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1820263)

LOL. It's a Friday, it's raining, and most of my work involves going to construction sites. In other words, it's a slow day. All that brain power and energy has to go somewhere!

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1820241)

I was going back and forth with a group of friends about this, and this is what I wrote:

"The Michael Jackson that many people are mourning has been gone for about 15 years. Nearly everyone has memories of Michael Jackson songs and videos for years before the molestation claims came to light; as someone on NPR said this morning, there's not a Michael Jackson hit that doesn't invoke memories. You remember where you were in your life when "Beat It," "Bad," or "Black or White" was popular. It's probably how our parents felt when John Lennon and Marvin Gaye died. Someone who created the soundtrack to our youth--our wonder years, as it were--is dead, and it reminds us that much more that we're getting older and we're going to die too, regardless of how they actually died.

In other words, the Michael Jackson I and at least a billion other people around the world are mourning is not the one who called his son "Blanket," who was rumored to have purchased the Elephant Man's skeleton, or the one who, as we now know, was addled with painkillers since his brush with death back in the 80s. We are mourning the little kid and the dance machine--in other words, the talented and charismatic entertainer.

It's not my place to determine the veracity of the molestation claims, but I could honestly see them going either way. I'm not a Michael Jackson fan per se; I've never purchased one of his albums, a concert ticket, or a glittery glove. That said, when I heard that he had taken ill and later died, the MJ from "Billie Jean" and the Jackson 5 popped in my head, not the pale, plastic shell of that person who he became in his later years. I wouldn't be surprised if the vast majority of mourners are seeing that person. He's kind of like Elvis that way."