She should serve time for being a moronic idiot.

Animals are put to sleep through quick and relatively painless means. If she chose to take matters into her own hands, she shouldn't have celebrated her decision with photos and posting the photos on Myspace.

Dumb people really bother me.

I *heart* DrPhil.

ETA: To keep this thread on topic, I read that the Eagles fans gave Vick a warm welcome during Thursday night's preseason game. I'm somewhat surprised that there weren't any animal-rights demonstrations or anti-Vick posters; hopefully he's truly getting a second chance.

The nonwhites have more important issues to deal with like what Don Imus or Rush Limbaugh said yesterday.

When is Rush going to get a second chance on Monday Night Football?

Animal Abuse = Future Serial Killer
 

So, are you insinuating that whites only care about stupid shit while non-whites are "too smart" or "too busy" to give a damn about things that seem meaningless? In that case, maybe you should have read my earlier posts. You could consider me a non-white and I am still outraged about the whole situation.

Honestly, that story about the 17 year-old girl ruined my day / night and it made me sick to my stomach. The same people that think little of animal abuse are the same people that can't figure out why or how someone became a serial killer. Sure, maybe Vick won't become a serial killer (who knows?), but tha 17 year old girl is on her way! Today it is a small "helpless" animal...tomorrow it is a "helpless" toddler, elderly person, disabled person, homeless person, etc. I guess we shouldn't give a damn about people who abuse ANYONE or ANYTHING because it must always go back to race-right?

No. I am disgusted with ANYONE who finds it acceptable to torture and kill animals (regardless of race). The signs are there for people to see. Ted Bundy used to torture small animals. I wonder what happened to that guy...hmmm...OH WAIT! He became a SERIAL KILLER! That is just ONE example of a sick f*** starting out with small animals and working his way up to people.

You don't have to agree with PETA, but you should at least consider the message they are trying to convey. You may not like the delivery, but there is still something to be learned by them. I don't like the delivery of the messages Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson send, but I realize they warrant discussion regarding race relations. They use the media as their platform for important racial issues. Respect PETA in the same manner.

Actually, he's being a dick by saying that non-whites are too busy protesting things like what Imus and others are talking about.

He's just another poster trying to get a rise out of people. I'm thinking another madmax incarnation.

Wait, I'm being a dick and you are confusing me with a guy or do you mean the guy who made that initial comment?

It upsets me that when you bring up feeling a certain way about certain issues, some people try and resort to saying it is an issue of race and that only certain races give a damn about specific issues. I don't care what race someone is-I care if he or is a complete idiot who doesn't know how to treat people/ animals.

Actually, some people insinuated (like that new guy) that it is only an issue for certain races while others think it is a waste of time. I don't care what color/ race someone is-you can still have an opinion about abuse. Just because I'm considered "non-white" does that mean that, like that new guy implied, I should not be concerned about this issue? You don't have to be black, white, yellow, magenta, whatever to have an issue with abuse (regardless of whether or not it was an animal).

I meant the initial poster.

(Aren't you a Phi Mu? I don't refer to women as "he" lol)

That "new guy" of which you speak is a troll, more specifically, he's a sockpuppet for another troll who likes to race-bait (for lack of a better term).

As far as "respecting PETA," many people who support animal rights don't even do that. PETA has the reputation for being more concerned with publicity and shock tactics than animal rights (remember when they protested in front of the dog show dressed as Klansmen?); furthermore, their credibility is often shot to hell because of falsehoods that they have spread. They're not entirely against animal abuse either, since they want to have pit bulls and other "dangerous" dogs destroyed (they include Great Danes, which are among the most docile animals despite their size, in this hit list).

Most animal lovers respect the Humane Society and the ASPCA. Those are two organizations that have earned the respect and credbility. PETA? Ha!

eh...this thread is about Michael Vick. We began discussing how fans are reacting to him despite the fact that he has served his time.

So, again, I think people need to get over what he did; I think that of the people who are still holding this against Vick, it seems to be more whites, and that isn't just about animal cruelty; and PETA are a bunch of loonies.

That is not the same thing as saying that people shouldn't care about animal abuse. I care about animal abuse but am over Vick.

"buck2"

Creative.

Sounds like someone needs to get a job. Or at least take a creative writing course.

Join the club.

Which kids? I have a bunch all over the place, so it's hard to keep track.

Only criminals. It's because they're not white, ya know?

Hello. Are Imus and Limbaugh in the news right now?

Is that why you were exiled?

Oh okay. Welcome back.

Give me the cliff notes for your previous post.

MV7 hits the re-set button on life
 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/69...al-source-says


PHILADELPHIA -- Michael Vick is really back on top now.

Vick and the Philadelphia Eagles agreed on a six-year contract on Monday that again makes the Pro Bowl quarterback one of the highest-paid players in the NFL.

A league source told ESPN's Andrew Brandt the deal is worth $100 million and a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that it contains roughly $40 million guaranteed.

The world is his oyster now that white people, particularly animal rights activists, aren't pissed at him.

Winning uber alles.

Some faction, as is usually the case w/ most things celeb, will never let it go.

Since I thought his punishment was not in proportion to his crime (given his notoriety, etc..), I'm glad to see it start to come back together for him .... at least until I have to go against him in fantasy football.

Please tell me that you're joking cuz I must have missed that memo. Just because Vick was given a job in no way means he's America's sweetheart or that the general public has forgiven him. I still think he's a dumbass and as a Beatle once said, "You can judge a man's true character by how he treats his fellow animals".

I agree with the bolded. I'd have liked to see him mauled by a pack of rabid lions myself. But alas, karma is a bitch and I have a feeling the next time we see this guy in the news it'll be how he once again fucked up or pissed away his second chance in life.

No.

He would still be in the shit house if white people, in general, hadn't forgiven him enough to give him a job. Such is life.

Yes, this!
He pissed me off when he said, "dog fighting was part of our culture" or some mess like that

Apparently, I didn't get that memo. It was never part of MY culture

He's talking about a subculture.

When you go around the world not everyone gives a darn about animals. These "animal rights" organizations are a primarily "white diaspora" effort, not because there aren't cultures where animals are a big concern but because such concern often manifests itself differently.

As for Vick being mauled by lions, in my opinion humans trump animals all day and everyday. Animal cruelty (what that means depends on the culture and the context) lessons can be learned without putting humans and animals on the same level. However, there are societies and cultures around the world where animals and humans are on the same level or animals trump humans. Thus, the social construction of all of this.

I'm probably in the minority here, but I hope your feeling is wrong. This smacks of naivete, but I want to believe that he has learned a lesson or two. (And I don't mean a lesson in 'don't get caught.') I wouldn't say I've forgiven him, but since he's served his time, I don't feel comfortable saying he should never play football again.

I don't think the the guy needs the public's "forgiveness". He served his time. To see whether dog fighting is part of his culture, you only need to go back to where he grew up and look for signs. This is learned behavior. Of course it isn't wide spread culture, but neither is cock fighting. Drive through Louisiana and there are little huts in some yards for cocks specifically for that purpose. Is it less disgusting because it's legal or because they are birds? Meh. I hope he learned a lesson. I'm glad he's using his star power for a good cause to talk to people about the evils of dog fighting. if this episode didn't change what he feels in his heart...maybe it will at least change his actions.

Your last sentence is particularly instructive. As was noted earlier, dogfighting, right or wrong, was part of his subculture. His newfound life as a animal-rights "superhero" is probably more about the public posturing necessary to get back to the millions his talent has now helped him
re-establish, than any newfould sincerety about dogs.

I've seen people get less prison time for taking humans off the planet, so, heinousness of dogfighting aside, Vick went down as severely as he did because of his celebrity.

The public mea culpas, who deserves an "apology" and who can give "forgiveness" to MV are always sorts of a grey areas for me.
....unless MV killed YOUR dog, who really deserve an apology?

I agree.

You don't think the "general public" has forgiven him? Eagles ratings, his sponsorship contracts, jersey sales, the new contract, and media coverage seems instructive otherwise ... individuals (even a large minority) definitely have not, but the mythical mass known as "the public" really has.

You're speaking of football fans though, some of which didn't care what he did anyway. I'm willing to bet that 80% of the people who wanted Vicks head on a platter probably never watch football or had even heard of the guy before he was arrested. It's been my observation that most fans don't really care what athletes do in their personal life, just as long as they perform out on the field. It's the gossipers that make the big deal about things.

And those who wanted his head on a platter were a vocal minority. However, at the time it went down, the condemnation was pretty universal, and that condemnation has basically evaporated - which, to me, seems like the general public has forgiven, or at least forgotten, which is essentially the same thing (in terms of what it means to Michael Vick's life).