No.

And neither do you.

HOLY CRAP, DS. Do you really not know the answer to this question or are you just being obtuse and obstinate because things are slow at work before the holidays and you have nothing better to do??

Bush is out of office in about 45 days. We've been engaged in Iraq for about 7 years. Every reference to his trip is that it was his "FAREWELL VISIT". Is there really something unclear about that to you?

:D

Oh...beautiful you came to bash at me....yawn...bash away.

I was being rhetorical nittany.

I already answered the question

It's not rhetorical if you keep asking it and saying that no one's answered it.

So stop asking it, then. Or better yet, just stop.

Irksome, isn't it?

Ok, Mr.
http://freelancetwins.com/pics/16.jpg

Bush could have been there for 1,000's of reasons. One example, maybe he wanted to meet with the Iraqi leader (which the US is working with) before Obama took control of the United States. Bush doesn't need to get his permission slip signed by you to go on a field trip to Iraq.

Second, you are correct in saying that we invaded Iraq to overthrow Saddam's regime. But answer this: Does not finding WMD's say that we didn't think that WMD's are there? Police raid drug houses all the time and don't find anything. Does that mean that they were wrong and shouldn't arrest the guy inside that is wanted for murder? Saddam was a terrible tyrant that needed to be taken down. He slaughtered his own people. I have heard a lot of Bush's opponents say "we didn't find WMD's we invaded on false pretenses..." In the end, nobody in the American public knows what intelligence was Presented to Bush that made him push the buttom to invade Iraq, so you can't comment on it. Maybe the CIA is the one who was foolish and didn't present facts. Were you in the oval office when the discussion went on? No, so stop speculating! All we can do is have trust in the man that was elected and WHEN we have concrete evidence that he violated that trust, call him on his bullshit. When you get some concrete, let the American People know.... Until then, shut up and support your President.

I don't like Obama, I think he is a lying, cheating, step on whoever, and do whatever you need to get elected type of person. However, the majority of the country has elected him. Who am I to go against what the majority of the country wants? So, when Obama takes office I wont sit here and talk trash about him because he is my leader. Maybe you need to take some lessons in humility my friend.

Somehow I doubt the validity of this statement. Actually - I doubt that you'll have the ability to make good on this campaign promise, if you will.

Not that I think Bush should have had a shoe thrown at him. Actually, scratch that.

If it had come from someone in a western culture, sure. I still probably wouldn't have been cool with it, but it's worse in this situation.

But we've already discussed that in Islam, the bottom of a shoe, and shoes in general, are considered dirty and insulting. That's where I think this incident is particularly bad.

OK...dude, chick, whatever the fuck you are, here have the soapbox.

Hint, this thread isn't about Obama.

I don't recall asking you for an opinion about "What Obama Would Do" and personally don't give a shit about your assessment.

Nobody said 2 words about Obama beyond a hyperthetical sense so if you want to use this time to go Obama bashing, here ya go. Have at it.

Enjoy yourself.

Nittanyalum
 

This is a serious question, not a stab at you or Obama.... I am really wondering what you mean by this, because I have heard other people say something similar to it. I heard Obama talk about Hope and Change, and I know what change is, but I never really understood the hope that he was talking about.

I like that I played a part in making history. I'm awed that I witnessed such an important day for this country. I feel hopeful again. I've missed that feeling. 11-04-2008

Why do you feel hopeful because Obama was elected? What does that really mean?

He's just being the mirror image of you. ;)

and I forgot....on the


" Shut up and support your president" thingie?

"Fuck" and "You".

phuckin' copycats....I need to get a copyright on ill behavior.

Seid, dude, why do you pull out "proof points" that are demonstrably false? You clearly have the Internet, you could check the facts yourself, man, and it would ease board frustration like angry sex or yoga or something.

For example, even if we say it's cool to go with "lynched" with regard to Saddam Hussein (terrible choice of words, by the way), and you want to dispute the stated WMD rationale for entering Iraq, his death was purely a result of his own actions, as he is the most recent person on Earth to use chemical and biological weapons on humans (unarmed ones at that).

Alert: This thread has gone from alert level 3: Train Wreck to alert level 5: Down the Shitter.

All posters please proceed with caution.

I went with the lynched term for a reason...trust, I knew what I was saying.

Regardless if we have the net or not, it doesn't make whatever point we are trying to prove 'true" am I correct?

I can post just as many links to support my argument just as easily as you can post the same amount to dispute it.

I really didn't bother because I didn't want to go down that road and be sidetracked on that topic (which could be and already has been clearly another thread) the main point we were supposed to be discussing before my 'deeper darker and even more obnoxious mirror image' derailed it was trying to get a grasp on the whole shoe throwing incident.

If we want to talk about the rationale behind the war, then let's dig that thread up and go there.

I don't want to discuss that here.

Thank you sir for bringing that up tho.

Hahahahahaha I put one small thing about how I don't agree with Obama, yet I will support him because he is our President and I am Obama bashing. I was trying to show that I disagree with the man on personal and political issues, so that is no reason to bash him like you are bashing Bush.

If you really want to get particular, the thread was about bush almost getting hit by a shoe..... not Bush "lynching" Saddam (I agree with KSig RC...bad choice of words), not Bush Invading Iraq, and Not Bush Violating the Genva Convention.

Did you only read the last paragraph of what I said, or do you just having nothing to say about the rest because you can't respond to clear thinking and reason?

Have a good day

I KNOW! Most forget (or worse, intentionally leave out the fact) that before our malingering and misguided attempt to enforce our heathen Western ideals upon completely unwilling citizens, Iraqis had standardized modern universal health care, advanced women's rights, a general lack of police/military hostility toward large ethnic segments of the population, and an XBOX in every hovel.

-All of which you brought up, so don't put that on me.

It doesn't matter if the points you make are true? I mean . . . it does.

No, you can't - you can't dispute a historical fact, only its interpretation, and I'll eat human poop if you can find anyone other than Chemical Ali himself who disputes that chemical weapons were used against Kurds under Hussein's rule.

You don't want to discuss facts here? OK, I mean, fine?

I just didn't bother to read your post.
And don't really give a shit about what you have to say.

Anything else you would like to add?

Are you 'showing' me the error of my ways or sum'n?

Keep moving.

To clarify, I don't want to sidetrack and discuss (facts, opinions and conjecture) the Iraq war in this thread.

If that is ok with you.

And trust me we can agree on the whole chemical war thing but...just, not here.

Did anyone else notice that Bush looked slightly amused after dodging the first shoe?

He was actually amused by it.

here you are:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BushL...6460837&page=1

If you don't give a shit about what I say, then why are you replying to me. Your 3rd grade games of "I dont care what you say" are stupid.

You got proven wrong and then moved on to the next subject, only to get shown that you are wrong again. I can do this all day... you make me laugh

Arab rage expressed through shoe toss
 

An excerpt:

The hurling of shoes at Bush on his last visit to Iraq as president made an ironic bookend to one of the first images after the 2003 U.S. invasion, when Iraqi opponents of deposed leader Saddam Hussein toppled one of his statues in Baghdad and hit it with their shoes.

Zeidi attained instant hero status around the Arab world. At one Baghdad elementary school, a geography teacher asked her students if they had seen the footage of the shoe-throwing, then told them, "All Iraqis should be proud of this Iraqi brave man, Muntadhar. History will remember him forever."

In Baghdad's Shiite slum of Sadr City, thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burned American flags in protest of Bush and called for the release of Zeidi, a 28-year-old Shiite who works for the private Iraqi TV station Al-Baghdadia.

What made Zeidi's defiance particularly resonant for many was their anger at autocratic Arab leaders whom they have considered slavish followers of Bush's policies in the Middle East.



Abdel-Sattar Qassem, a Palestinian political-science professor at the West Bank's An Najah University, wrote in an online commentary: "Bush wanted to end his bloody term hearing compliments and welcoming words from his collaborators in the Arab and Islamic world. But a shoe from a real Arab man summed up Bush's black history and told the entire world that the Arabs hold their head high."

The Iraq war is the most prominent cause of Arab resentment of Bush. Even many who were outraged at Shiite and Sunni militant groups for the killing of civilians and sectarian strife that tore the country apart ultimately blamed Bush for unleashing the chaos. Some accuse his administration of fueling Shiite-Sunni tensions across the region.

More broadly, nearly every U.S. policy in the region became seen as part of a campaign to divide or subjugate Muslim nations, from Iran and Syria to Sudan and Somalia.

The Bush administration's "war on terror" was seen as a war on Muslims and Arabs in general, an image fueled by civilian deaths in Afghanistan and, in particular, the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

Bush was seen as heavily favoring Israel over the Palestinians. His administration's campaign to isolate the Palestinian militant group Hamas translated to the Arab public as an attempt to starve Palestinians in Hamas-ruled Gaza.


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...lysis1216.html

good for you...playmates are fun.

Glad to know I am entertaining you.

BTW I get outta here at 4, you wanna see me on the playground behind the building at final bell or you want to do this on the way home?

Good grief you've become the Mayor of Lameville.

This thread actually is about Obama because a general point is being made about respect for our presidents.

And you support this shoe throwing, along with thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr that burned American flags in protest of Bush.

Damn dude, you keep good company.

Obama thread this way --------->

I recommend sticking to the point you were making about Obama being your president, eventhough you dislike him. :)

You forget sweetie.

I don't care.

I really don't.

What do I need to look cool for?

For who?

Yes and he smirked. I probably would've had the same reaction. I may not have been so quick on my feet to dodge them, though.

Don't.

You can be lame all that you want to but leave the pet names out of it.

Heh...

I thought words were your "deadly weapons" hahahahahaha. You don't want to see me on the playground.

LOL, that's ok, I can take some stabs (about me or anybody), as long as they're figurative and not literal.
Well, feelings are pretty subjective, so what makes me hopeful may not make you (or anyone) feel the same. It's likely that what makes me hopeful is what concerns you. I feel hopeful because the election will bring in people and policies that more align with what I am concerned about and believe in. If the GOP had kept the executive office, I would likely have kept my deep concerns about the direction and future of the country.

wow...

Ummm...yeah ok...

I mean you wanted third grade so I am talking in terms I thought you would understand.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Yes.



Our sitting president?

Don't support him, didn't vote for him neither time.

I think he is the WORST we have ever had in recent history.

Messed up economy

People out of work

heathcare in shambles

Education system producing dumb assed kids

and I haven't even GOTTEN to the war.

He and his admin I believe are responsible for mostly why we are in the mess that we are in now worldwide and since this year started I could not wait for 1/20/2009, regardless of whoever was voted for.

And the tip of the iceberg?

To make you go nuts?

The guy that threw the shoe?

.....more power to him.