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Originally Posted by RaggedyAnn (Post 1674614)

Attend, no...spend a lot of time there, granted not in current years, yes. I didn't mean for it to sound like the entire Greek community. I just meant for Brown, it didn't seem weird. You have to admit that it's an artsy area. That's what makes Brown unique.

No, this group is still pretty weird...even for Brown.

It's in a fairly artsy area, but the East Side is still a wealthy, pretty sedate neighborhood.

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Originally Posted by RaggedyAnn (Post 1674617)

Yup. They all mean the same thing, depending on where you live and the year it is.

Cereally?

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Originally Posted by Niedermeyer (Post 1674568)

I have a bit of an inside track on Chi Psi as my dad is a Carolina Chi Psi. My mother is a Carolina Alpha Delta Pi. Carolina Chi Psi is hands down the stronget Chi Psi chapter nationally.

Chi Psi is arguably, all around, one of the strongest fraternities at UNC. They may not be the most popular as viewed by other campus greeks, but they have tremendous alumni support in terms of both financial and support given. Multiple recent Rhodes Scholars, Phi Beta Kappas and student government presidents. Far, Far more than any other UNC chapter. Giant (approximately 6 acre) property with amazing huge house. Located on W Cameron a little bit away from the other houses on campus.

Beta is the second largest property on the UNC campus. Beautiful house as well. About 4.5 acres of land and located on S Columbia next to big fraternity court. Five houses are located in big fraternity court. The Beta's property is about 3/4 the size of all the land under big fraternity court. Beta has a party barn in the far back corner of their property.

Chi Psi and Beta are, by a fairly significant margin, the largest fraternity properties at Carolina. Some would argue Beta's property could be as valuable than Chi Psi's because it is located directly across the street from campus and is closer to Franklin street.

The remaining fraternity properties at UNC are also very, very nice. However, Chi Psi and Beta stand out way ahead of everyone else because of the sheer size of the land their houses sit on.

This opinion based on my recent visit to Chapel Hill. I walked and looked at every fraternity and sorority house on campus.

Didn't mean to make it sound like I was low balling Chi Psi at UNC! They are a great chapter. Their only drawback, and I mean only, is that they are not in "the mix" with all the other chapters. Even so they are only one block away from most fraternities. Amazing how one block at UNC seems far away. I think they are socially accepted and definitely have the best academic reputation (always have).

The Beta house has so much potential at UNC to be one of the best or even the very best. However, there are a lot of reasons, many I'm not familiar with, why they are currently where they are (I'm not referring to location). But times change; remember I'm only familiar with what I see (the houses, financial statements, a few brothers), I hear (alumni interaction) and who I know (alumns).

You are correct in that those two have the two largest properties. Chi Psi in my opinion has the nicest actual house as well; DKE, PhiGam, Pi Lamb (former KA) and PhiDelt all up there as well. When I was stating that there ~10 chapters that I would have no problems recommending for someone to rush, I was putting many factors in there. I would definitely have no problem recommending Chi Psi to anyone.

eh, this is what happens when you go to a hippie school and turn co-ed.

I personally find it offensive and a perversion of what greeks are all about but if I push too hard on the topic all I'll hear is:

"Maybe they have better brotherhood than your chapter!"

"You don't know them so don't judge them!"

blah blah blah

so I'll just roll my eyes and move on.

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Originally Posted by aephi alum (Post 1674324)

The Sigma Nu chapter at MIT decided to go coed in 1970. They disaffiliated with the national fraternity and adopted their chapter designation, Epsilon Theta, as their name. Sigma Nu has since recolonized; the chapter was rechartered in 1995.

The same thing happened with the MIT chapter of Pi Kappa Alpha in 1975. They went coed, disaffiliated from the national fraternity, and now go by pika.

And the same thing happened with the MIT chapter of Sigma Alpha Mu. They went coed, disaffiliated from the national fraternity in 1973, and now call themselves Fenway House.

Here is what happened to Sigma Nu's chapter at MIT when they decided to go co-ed... http://web.mit.edu/thetans/www/actives.html

Weak, nerdy men and beat chicks. Probably a great GPA - but I'm sure their athletic trophy case is sparce.

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Originally Posted by Kedzman (Post 1674841)

This must have been your chapter?

It's interesting to see the guys bashing MIT and Brown in this thread.

Everyone is different everywhere.

Edited to remove shame from those who do not deserve it.

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Originally Posted by Kedzman (Post 1674841)

The other day you were saying Greek orgs should be all about GPA and leadership. Now because some group that you arbitrarily decide not to like has a good GPA, you're focusing on athletics? Typical.

The point is you're no better or worse than anyone else for the way your chapter is, and neither are these kids from MIT and Brown. But if you want to get down to it on who is more likely to succeed in life, it's probably the MIT and Brown kids - NOT the guys from your chapter.

The larger point that you're missing here is the other day you got riled up when some southern fraternity guys insulted your chapter for being different from theirs culturally & socially. You responded with a bunch of stuff about GPA, leadership, objective standards, etc. Now you're faulting people you don't even have any interaction with, because they appear to be (from a few pictures you've seen, some of which were clearly in jest in the first place) socially and culturally different than you. What happened to your standards?

You are truly a pathetic individual.

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Originally Posted by KyleMcGuire1983 (Post 1674776)

eh, this is what happens when you go to a hippie school and turn co-ed.

I personally find it offensive and a perversion of what greeks are all about but if I push too hard on the topic all I'll hear is...

Yeah, I agree with this.

Hey if your chapter is nerdy/dorky/socially inept/quirky/etc. then that's fine, but composites aren't something to mess with, IMHO.

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Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE (Post 1674892)

Yeah, I agree with this.

Hey if your chapter is nerdy/dorky/socially inept/quirky/etc. then that's fine, but composites aren't something to mess with, IMHO.

That's a dumb answer, IMO. It's not like composites are some great tradition for fraternities that can't be encroached on. There's no national "standard" for composites. There's plenty of traditions and ritualistic stuff that have to be done right or you're not really your fraternity. The composite is pretty clearly not one of those traditions.

This topic just really surprises me. I'm from a very traditional, top-tier southern chapter of a fraternity that is good (if very traditional) nationwide and that composite doesn't bother me. No we wouldn't take our composite that way, but I think it's funny and ok for a co-ed fraternity at a pretty odd school. Why is it such a travesty to some of you all?

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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1674949)

This topic just really surprises me.

Consider the source.

By the way, I like your posts, although your restaurant makes me fat.

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Originally Posted by Kedzman (Post 1674841)

Weak, nerdy men as opposed to unattractive jocks who try to be thugs??

http://www.sigmanuniu.com/photo_gall...photo_id=46727

Six of one, half dozen of the other, homeslice.

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Originally Posted by Kedzman (Post 1674841)

They're nerds because they go to MIT, not because their fraternity went co-ed.

Same way your brothers probably aren't so bright because they go to NIU, not because they're Sigma Nu's.

*** All, I'd like to make an appeal to the crowd to take it easy on the NIU Snakes. I promise you, not a single active member of that chapter has come here causing any problems.