Yes, that was sarcastic, but as far as the correlation between PhiGam's sort of hazing and the pouring of boiling water, I just don't see it. One most certainly does not lead to the other.

While both from a risk standpoint are bad things, of course, and both would for some result in serious bodily injury or possibly death, they just aren't related.

I was trying to relate the impression that the false bravado that I think is too prevalent among guys who start upping the ante on "how tough" their pledging is/was/should be can get out of hand. Saying that guys would wish their pledging was "as easy" as just drinking 'til they drop leaves the door too wide open to suggestions that more = brand of cool/real pledging. Add alcohol and older brothers egging each other on, and clearly, anything can happen. I mean, really, how else do things escalate to the level where idiots will put a pot of boiling water on a stove with the intent to shower pledges with it? Reacting to tales of pledging with a "psht, that ain't nothin'" doesn't move organizations forward and protect the young men coming in to the greek system from boys who get too caught up in their own braggadocio.

I'm not being dismissive of the rest of what you said, but that really is a great word.

I agree because the pledges did not die and were not seriously hurt, so the sitution is not that bad....but i think its pretty dumb for making the pledges to drink mixed ketchup and hot sauce. There are better ways to unify a pledge class.

To my knowledge, Northwestern Lambda Phi Epsilon will be hosting their National Convention later this month. I honestly hope this situation will not cause too much of a negative effect.

wow....we might have to agree to disagree on this one.

it may be funny but would you want to go through it and risk the university reporting you to the police for theft (they could if they wanted to)? (btw, that toilet paper wasn't done by a frat or sorority)

Selective private schools like Northwestern aren't most schools. For every kid who's admitted, 3 or 4 are turned away. If the accusations are true, get these fools off campus and give those seats in the college to kids who deserve them more. Bright young people are lining up to get into schools like Northwestern.
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its funny how this organization is getting all the bad rep. yet we know in the greek world that there is much more well known organizations that do much worse and everyone knows it yet they dont get shit for it. its just my opinion but i think because this organization is still young compared to other organizations that have been here for a long time (which i highly respect: especially ones who actually "EARN their letters and colors") they are more proned to get hates from others.

Hush your fool mouth.

If you spent time reading the message boards instead of spouting off right away, you'll see in this very forum that it's not just this fraternity getting trouble...mmkay?

Reading is fundamental.

And I think there's room for only one Chaos.

??? what ???

Being on a campus or a National has nothing to do with it.

If not condoned then what?

Sorry, I just cannot resist editing this --

This organization may be ........ more prone to being hated by others.
English 101 is still a requirement for college graduation. :)

English 101 should be required to graduate high school. I took English 101/102 in high school, and I very much think that I generally do better on writing assignments, which due to a new initiative by the University to raise the quality of writing in discipline, is mandatory in ever class. As far as some GCers though, you would be surprised they made it to college with their writing skills.

I agree, I took Eng Comp 1101-1102 in HS and it helped me immensely. High school english classes (at least in FL) are a joke.

dude is your name really hooters? seriously?




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