hey...I'm not a lawyer....

LOL

Ironically, the only researched sentencing that is used as a statistically significant deterrent is the Capital Punishment or the Death Penalty...

Viewing some of the stats, they may be weak, like a P < 0.04999, but it is still significant on a 2 tailed, heterodecastic analysis.

Giving lashes to anyone is "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" and could be labeled a torture by some circles. What is it going to teach the offender if you want to not have recidivism?

The other issue is why did these men feel they needed to sexually assault and rape a female friend? I do not know how Saudi courts operate, and we may not care about that issue, but I do not think they are "crazed lunatics" unable to control themselves to savagely brutalize a woman, today. I think this was a planned activity because they knew how this poor girl behaved and when she refused, they overpowered her... Simple as that.

Should they be punished? Definitely. Should the girl be punished? Like I said, was a rape kit put on her? If not, they authorities do not have any right to put her on trial because it becomes her words against the offenders. If they did, and she violated the law of not riding in the car with male non-relatives, at minimum, she should be made to pay in community service or administrative work.

Regardless of what we think of their laws, Saudi Arabia is a sovereign nation. However, I think it a human rights violation to punish any female who has had to endure a sex crime. That is my opinion. I could be wrong.

Yeah and that weak, statistical significance has never been able to truly support the deterrent effect of capital punishment and lead to lasting conclusions regarding its effectiveness.

It just adds fuel to the debate over statistical significance versus substantive significance.

LOL.

There is so much gender inequality embedded in DaemonSeid's initial posts that we shouldn't have ended up here, anyway.

Who photoshopped away Capt O's package??? I'd be mad if I was that guy who put on spandex, only to have the assets disappear.

Forsake the package for the abs. :(

Abs don't get the job done, no matter how ripped they are.:cool:

Well the "O" stands for "Obvious" and not something else. :)

kevin....remember...way back when...I state...I would wait for ur opinion (i.e "Professional opinion...")

heh

**see post number 5**

I have no professional opinion on Islamic law since I don't claim to know a damned thing about it.

Further, since I'm a law student, I could tell you my professional opinion about stuff, but then I'd have to kill you.

My personal opinion, of course, remains that the lawgivers who will allow this to occur and who enforce this sentence are a pack of barbaric animals who deserve nothing short of the horrific death which they would impose upon others.

By "barbaric animals," I mean anyone in the Saudi government or clergy who has not condemned this brutality. The Saudi people, of course, deserve a bit of condemnation for not overthrowing these animals.

I really hope that something happens to diminish the importance of Arab oil in the global economy. Only then could we hope to actually be able to leave these animals to their own devices. 'Til then, putting up with these sorts of atrocities is more-less the cost of doing business.

I know... Like, correlation does not imply causation... But, I guess "they" fail to realize that aspect... ;)

I was thinking the same thing...

Personally I see it as a horrible perversion of the original spirit of Sharia Law... but meh.

Yeah the world would be a better place if some of these "law makers" where subject to the sentences and injustices they met out - then shit like these rape laws, capital punishment, Gitmo, race laws, or rendition might not be so flippantly accepted... and yes I view these as equally "barbaric" and egregious, but I also understand that they'll continue until such time as the ignorant folks/"animals" that support them finally take their heads out of their ass. (and yes I'm looking specifically the head "asshole" of the moment being the Canadian PM for now supporting #'s 2,3,and5)

I believe she's being punished for being in the presence of a male non-relative, not for being raped. They are punishing the males for the rape.

And I seriously doubt she had a rape kit done on her. Only a small percentage of the medical practitioners in Saudi Arabia are women, and I seriously doubt women there expose themselves in such a way to strangers that may even be doctors. But I could be wrong.