A friend who was a member of APO on campus told me why his chapter refused to admit women. He said that all members, regardless of gender, are brothers. If a male and a female member began dating and move on to a sexual relationship, it would be incest since it was a case of two brothers have sex.

Go figure... I kid you not

Ok.....

You are sure showing temperance. :D

I don't know WHERE it's coming from!!!! I guess in my new job (HIV/AIDS work), it sorta puts things in perspective.


However, the snark lies just beneath and yearns to be unleashed LOL

Wow. Intelligent, that. :rolleyes:

Uh huh.

And I wonder what their take is on the several Brothers who have married Brothers. I know of 2 couples where both husband and wife have received National DSKs.

They probably won't allow them to have children.

LOL.... I literally laughed out loud.

So here's a story.... a past national president pledged through my chapter in 66. His wife was made an honorary brother sometime in the 80s or 90s, i believe. His older daughter did not pledge, but....

The younger daughter went to college and basically pledged APO behind her dad's back! (I think I told this story before) So instead of her crossing and her dad surprising HER, the chapter convinced him to come to the initiation festivities, totally unaware she would be there.

He was tickled pink. :) Like EVERYBODY knew, but nobody told. Greatest secret ever.

To top it all off, he was presiding over a portion of the national convention this past december and had the pleasure of recognizing his own daughter, who was a voting delegate for her chapter. It was the first time a national president recognized their own child on the convention floor.

The Schroeders..... a nice little incestuous APO family that reproduced.

Sorry it took me so long to get back on here, but school just started and I have a wacky double major.

A little background of ESA, though we were not origianlly founded as a collegiate sorority, ESA began colonizing collegiate chapters around 30-35 years ago. Out main issue is that on our campus there is an overstauration of greek life. In addition to our group we also have an APO chapter on campus. Both organizations are co-ed and have in the past been very competitive. We are trying to bridge the gap while still maintaining our individual identities. We focus not only our service to the community but we also educate about our philanthropy which is St. Jude CHildrens Research Hospital.

Since I've posted we had a very sucessful booth at our school's organizational fair and have had interest meetings for the last two days. In total we are expecting near 20 in our class, which will set an all time high for our chapter.

One of my main concerns is that few of our members have a lot of ESA gear because very few things are made with our letters and our school's greek shop (for a school of 5,000 students we have our own) does not stock anything for us. We are working towards getting mroe, but only time will tell what will become available.

Lots of online companies will do custom orders - and for a lot of items, you can make your own things. Do a search on 'nalia for locals and you should be able to find many threads with suggestions on this topic :)

On an unrelated note, I saw this chalking on campus last week:

I understand exactly what the thread starter was asking. I am a member of Omega Tau Pi Sorority, Inc. and we are a service based organization. Basically what's been said are the only ways you can get out there.

1. Wear your letters everywhere. People WILL ask because it's different
2. Work WITH the other orgs/groups on campus not against them.
3. Invite any and everyone to your events. Do lots of campus based service.

I also understand the competition aspect, while members of QTPi are allowed to join NPC and NPHC orgs they are not allowed to join other service based orgs like Gamma Sigma Sigma, A Phi Q, Omega Phi Alpha, etc. So that is a struggle you just have to get out there and make yourself known and what you have to offer as a family and in the way of service.

If you have any specific questions please feel free to PM me. We are going through this right now as we just chartered a chapter at Texas Southern University and are simply trying to gather interest.

NOOOOOO!!! LOL!!!

My mistake in not making it clear that we didn't immediately require new Chapters to be co-ed.

However, I don't understand your claim about the "Gentlemen's Agreement" being an "APO urban legend". The GA most certainly did exist, and I know of people who were involved in committees looking at this matter at past National Conventions. Are you claiming it didn't exist?


The thing to keep in mind is that this so-called "all-male constituency" was never a monolithic group. You had the so-called "APQ" elements, you had the non-APQ all-male schools. You had some who had no problem with APO being co-ed, they just wanted to keep their own chapter all-male. You had those who couldn't get over the fact that we went co-ed, wanted us to go back to all-male, and thought going co-ed was some eeevil plot. (some of these couldn't understand what Title IX was about or how we were affected by it). But, yes, I think part of the problem of the so-called 'a-m c' was that many of them wouldn't work with other chapters. I think if more of them had come out to section, regional, and national events, and worked with the other chapters, they might have won more friends and allies amoung the other chapters.

On the other side were people who had no problem with the remaining all-male chapters, but you also had various people who seemed to have a problem with it, and you had to wonder if some of the 'issues' that were put forth as reasons for forcing the issue (claims of certain groups not wanted to work with APO because we had a few all-male chapters, claims of issues with our Toast Song loosing potential members, etc) were really legit or inflated. If certain groups didn't want to work with us because of this, I think we should know who these are. Otherwise how can we judge if this was true?

But its now part of the past for the most part. Hopefully we can move forward and forge a stronger Fraternity.

That is good! I bet it worked for them too.