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Drolefille 06-22-2007 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dgdramadawg (Post 1471925)
Ah, I see. Kind of "snowball effect prevention."
Yeah :D

UGAalum94 06-22-2007 07:02 PM
OP,

Really if you want to be Greek, you have a couple of options:

1. Go through this year, be honest, cross your fingers, get all your other ducks in a row like recs, etc, and hope for the best, but know that we don't think it looks good.

2. Wait until you can earn some college grades, and then go through either COB/COR if your campus has it.

3. Wait until you can earn some college grades and then go through formal next year.

Personally, I'd recommend the third option because I think that if you make good grades it will give you the best shot at the most groups. Be aware that recruitment can be harder as a sophomore. But, IMO, the same groups that would COB/COR this year, would probably take sophomores in formal and some of the groups who can't COB/COR because the met quota and are at total (they are bigger and likely perceived as "more desirable*" groups) may also take a few sophomores next fall.

But I will mention something else that will sound bad but may have some truth: some groups are financially elitist. Your having to work will indicate to some groups that you aren't from the same kind of family background that they want in pnms. Not all groups are this way, but some are. So, when you explain that you have lower grades because you worked, you could be further hurting your chances. And before everyone jumps all over me, my chapter was not one of these chapters, but you're probably delusional if you say that no SEC chapters are this way.

* and again, not more desirable to me, but if they were perceived as so freaking desirable to all 1000 girls who went through recruitment, would they be COB/CORing? Notice I said "perceived as desirable."

violetpretty 06-22-2007 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by adpiucf (Post 1471882)
JessSigKap,

The min. is not necessarily the norm, though. For example, when I was in undergrad, you had to have at least a 3.0 to be considered for acceptance into my major. In reality, the cut-off for those who were actually accepted was a 3.5.
Right, I was merely suggesting that she go through to meet people, understanding that the chances of her getting a bid are microscopic.

dgdramadawg 06-22-2007 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by _Lisa_ (Post 1471932)
Although I can't say its true at every SEC school, the college GPA requirements are usually lower than the high school GPA requirements.
Not all competitive SEC schools have a separate quota for upperclassmen, though, and most chapters would much rather have a member for four years than for three... so in many (but not all) cases a PNM would need to be exceptional to be considered as an upperclassman. As we've discussed previously, the required GPA to participate differs (sometimes greatly) from the GPA that chapters actually require. The fact is that if you're up against tons of freshmen with 3.5-4.0 GPAs, you aren't going to look so hot if your college GPA is a 2.5 or anything in that area... I would think that to be considered competitive against those girls who'll be paying dues for four years who also have excellent high school GPAs, an upperclassman PNM would need really stellar grades (3.5+) or really good grades (3.0+) coupled with lots of involvement on campus.

UGAalum94 06-22-2007 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dgdramadawg (Post 1471974)
Not all competitive SEC schools have a separate quota for upperclassmen, though, and most chapters would much rather have a member for four years than for three... so in many (but not all) cases a PNM would need to be exceptional to be considered as an upperclassman. As we've discussed previously, the required GPA to participate differs (sometimes greatly) from the GPA that chapters actually require. The fact is that if you're up against tons of freshmen with 3.5-4.0 GPAs, you aren't going to look so hot if your college GPA is a 2.5 or anything in that area... I would think that to be considered competitive against those girls who'll be paying dues for four years who also have excellent high school GPAs, an upperclassman PNM would need really stellar grades (3.5+) or really good grades (3.0+) coupled with lots of involvement on campus.
I agree with you completely. I do think she's still better off waiting, but I think you said that too. She just needs to make sure she makes some awesome grades and gets involved.

UGAalum94 06-22-2007 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by dgdramadawg (Post 1471905)
I'm wondering what school this could possibly be because, as jesssigkap mentioned, 2.2 seems very low for SEC. Of course, adpiucf is absolutely right that taking a girl with the minimum is rare... why take a girl with the bare minimum when there are PNMs with much higher? OP, I'm not trying to guess where you're going; please don't think I'm asking you to tell us.

Here's what's available online for the SEC schools. It seems a lot of schools don't post an "official" required GPA. I wonder how this could hurt PNMs who don't know how much a low GPA could hurt them?

Alabama - none listed. Bama is known for having one of the most competitive recruitments, though, so even if a PNM can register with any GPA a low GPA would equal an early cut (although they don't list official chapter minimums on the site).

Arkansas - 2.5 required to participate.

Auburn - none listed. Site specifically states that PNMs with GPAs below a 3.0 will be unlikely to receive bids.

Florida - none listed, but UF has become very hard to get into... it would be rare to get into UF with a 2.5!

Georgia - none listed, but it's also very hard to get into UGA... it would be rare to get in with a 2.5 high school GPA.

Kentucky - no official GPA required to participate, but in recruitment info they list 2.8 as required for one house and 3.0 for all the others.

LSU - 2.75 required to participate.

Ole Miss - no official GPA required to participate, but in recruitment info they list chapter requirements between 2.6 and 3.0.

Miss State - 2.0 required for upperclassmen, nothing listed for underclassmen. Chapter GPAs are much higher.

South Carolina - none listed, but chapter GPAs are all very high (most above 3.3), so I can't imagine anyone taking a grade risk.

Tennessee - none listed, but FAQs mention that the average sorority member has a 3.1 GPA so it can be assumed that similar qualifications are expected from PNMs.

Vanderbilt - Deferred recruitment (no GPA listed), but I can't imagine someone with a 2.5 getting into Vandy.
Not that it matters, but DGDramaDawg, this post demonstrates among other reasons why you are one of my favorite GCers. No level of investigation is too much for an SEC rush thread.

ETA: I didn't mean anything in contrast to the Drolefille post. I'm not in favor of "outing" folks; since you listed them all, I never saw the problem. I agree that we shouldn't try to narrow it down any further than the PNM wants us too. She said SEC; you listed all the SEC.

UGAalum94 06-22-2007 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JessSigKap (Post 1471971)
Right, I was merely suggesting that she go through to meet people, understanding that the chances of her getting a bid are microscopic.
First off, I apologize for the multiple posts. I'd really like for someone to explain how you all do multi-quote replies so I can do it differently. How do you do that? Does it require cutting and pasting from multiple windows?

JessSigKap, reasonable people can disagree about this, and I've given the "take a chance, what could it hurt" position with many girls who were choosing between a less that perfect recruitment experience and not going through at all. So I'm not busting on your comment here, but. . .

I found SEC rush to be a pretty punishing experience, and my rush wasn't even that bad considering what I know now about going through before my third year with mediocre grades only knowing girls in four groups before rush (but it was a long time ago).

The stamina needed for the mentally draining task of enthusiastically and seemingly authentically having virtually identical small talk conversations from sun up to sun down, coupled, let's be honest for most people, with invite lists reflecting open rejection from at least some groups does not equal an experience I'd recommend to anyone who didn't have a reasonable expectation of joining a group who had any other hope of getting a bid later.

Even if you go in with an "I'll see what a happens; I'm just here to make friends" attitude, the experience itself makes you crazy. To do it knowing that the results are going to likely stink is something I would only recommend to someone that I either disliked or thought was already insane.

But others might disagree.

One more thing is that I suspect that going through formal more than one time in itself may cause red flags to go up at some groups.

dgdramadawg 06-22-2007 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga (Post 1472017)
Not that it matters, but DGDramaDawg, this post demonstrates among other reasons why you are one of my favorite GCers. No level of investigation is too much for an SEC rush thread.
Haha, this is what comes of having a job that gives me a two month summer break! ;) I'm not sure that you'd get this level of quality out of me during the school year!

ISUKappa 06-22-2007 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga (Post 1472037)
First off, I apologize for the multiple posts. I'd really like for someone to explain how you all do multi-quote replies so I can do it differently. How do you do that? Does it require cutting and pasting from multiple windows?
See the little button that has the quotes (") and plus (+) sign next to the quote button? Click on that for every post you want to quote. Then click the "Post Reply" button. All the posts you want to quote will then be in the reply box.

UGAalum94 06-22-2007 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ISUKappa (Post 1472043)
See the little button that has the quotes (") and plus (+) sign next to the quote button? Click on that for every post you want to quote. Then click the "Post Reply" button. All the posts you want to quote will then be in the reply box.
Thank you so much. I never even noticed it was there.

bette007 06-28-2007 10:42 PM
I had a similar question about high school gpa requirements for incoming freshmen during recruitment. Do chapters make exceptions if you are below the minimum gpa requirement.
My daughter will be attending University of North Texas and wants to rush but I am afraid her gpa is too low. On her hs transcript, gpa is listed at 81.75 but she held several leadership postions and was editor in chief of her high school newspaper. All of the chapter websites I have visited for her school seem to require a 3.0 HS gpa requirement. She also has a very outgoing and personable personality attributed to her active theatre background, and has a best friend that is an active member of the sorority she wants to receive a bid from. Will any of this make a difference or is she wasting her time and needs to focus on grades. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

_Lisa_ 06-29-2007 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bette007 (Post 1476473)
I had a similar question about high school gpa requirements for incoming freshmen during recruitment. Do chapters make exceptions if you are below the minimum gpa requirement.
My daughter will be attending University of North Texas and wants to rush but I am afraid her gpa is too low. On her hs transcript, gpa is listed at 81.75 but she held several leadership postions and was editor in chief of her high school newspaper. All of the chapter websites I have visited for her school seem to require a 3.0 HS gpa requirement. She also has a very outgoing and personable personality attributed to her active theatre background, and has a best friend that is an active member of the sorority she wants to receive a bid from. Will any of this make a difference or is she wasting her time and needs to focus on grades. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
I'm surprised you even feel the need to ask. Your daughter needs to focus on grades. Period.

AlphaFrog 06-29-2007 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by _Lisa_ (Post 1476609)
I'm surprised you even feel the need to ask. Your daughter needs to focus on grades. Period.
Agreed.

But in answer to the question...some sororities can take what they call "grade risks", but others cannot. Note: Can =/= will.

dgdramadawg 06-29-2007 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 1476615)
Agreed.

But in answer to the question...some sororities can take what they call "grade risks", but others cannot. Note: Can =/= will.
When people in my chapter referred to "grade risks," we talked about people who were at or just above the minimum, not below.

This may be because by the time I was on the chapter side of recruitment, it was so rare to attend UGA with below our national minimum that we never had to think about it.

AChiOhSnap 06-29-2007 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bette007 (Post 1476473)
I had a similar question about high school gpa requirements for incoming freshmen during recruitment. Do chapters make exceptions if you are below the minimum gpa requirement.
Absolutely not. There's no such thing as a grade exception with NPC sororities. If your daughter is below the GPA req, she will not be able to receive a bid. And if, for some crazy reason there was a mistake and she received a bid anyway, her membership would be revoked immediately upon someone finding out her real GPA.


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