Yeah, post the abstract with the full reference. I didn't say inconceivable, I said highly unlikely... It doesn't mean never, it means every now and then...

It also sounds like the virus mutated again as people got "creative"... ;)

I doubt it's a seperate mutation of HPV it appears that it's the same strains that cause cervical cancer. It's probably a quality of the virus and the infection that causes the cells in either mouth or cervix to mutate. The same strains can cause penile cancer as well which only supports that. (I'm not a virologist but if the same strain is doing this to multiple targets, I say it's the strain not the target)


D'Souza, Gypsyamber, Kreimer, Aimee R., Viscidi, Raphael, Pawlita, Michael, Fakhry, Carole, Koch, Wayne M., Westra, William H., Gillison, Maura L.
Case-Control Study of Human Papillomavirus and Oropharyngeal Cancer
N Engl J Med 2007 356: 1944-1956

Disclaimer: The ideas you pose are causing my response. I am commenting on the universal "you"

FWB... Do you FCUK your Friends... Are you that hard up?

Well, can't a woman just sexually express herself? Who cares if she sleeps around?

I think the issue we are discuss runs deep. We lack love, generally. Namely, love for ourselves. I see that many kids lack the fundamental concept that when one connects sexually to a vile person, it predisposes them to contracting many a thing, first unwanted pregnancy. Aren't there enough kids thought to be unwanted in this world? Second thing is STI's from garden variety that are treatable to the untreatable or unknown it was an STI.

The more unprotected sexual expression occurs, the more at risk one puts oneself...

So, how does one break this cycle? Why do you think I talk about the "Tantra" and the "Kama Sutra". There is another old practice done in the Carribean that is reminscent of Afrikan Centeredness... I hate to make this a Christianity vs. "insert Spirituality here", but, the "Good Book" lacks teaching about the realness of sexual ectasy.

Now, to reroute thinking, sex did not evolved to be thinking activity. But it did evolved to be a "Spiritual" activity. The highest peak of senusualness. Just because one touches sensually, does not mean intercourse must take place, one can practice. But, the first part is love of God, others and oneself. Not to pinnacle arrogance, but self-care love to love another...

First, thanks for that. I will check out the full article when I gain NEJM access.

Well, this is a 100 person study. It is not enough for clinical trials. And it is suspected that the L1 capsid mutated is tertiary or quartenary structure enough to be shifted to convert to seropositivity. There could be another differential. Also, many folks with this situation, there is another issue and many young people abuse newer illicit drugs that orally taken does cause all kinds of health issues. Crystal meth is rife with mutation effects.

But if is throat cancer by oral sex on HPV+ individuals, then, well, there has to be changes to the medical literature--as you are well aware of... :)

Okay, if she can sexually express herself, she can have any kind of partner she desires even if it is her friend.

Personally, I would not do that, but there are women who just think differently. And to talking to women that do, I know they psychologically hurt and feel that they can find love externally.

It can be done with one person within the bounds of a known commitment (verbal or legal).

Also, NO ONE can love or care about anyone unless he or she loves and cares about his or herself. Period. That is the prerequisite for a relationship. You cannot have that, unless you love yourself. And just because you love yourself sufficiently does not mean your mate to be is ready...

If she wants to do the FWB thing, then she can go right ahead and risk getting an STD. Hey, it's the in thing for 07', 08', 09' ect. ect.:rolleyes:

Yes, I couldn't agree more. You have to love yourself before you can love someone else. I was in a bad relationship like that.

Personally, IMO, FWB for women is a sexual and psychological vampirism. What happens when a woman falls for the FWB that she is fooling around with?

And if this is what the young folks like to do in the 200- whatever, then all the research and programs dedicated to eliminating illnesses seem to not work...

Well, I would be the wrong person who says anything regarding this. But I do know most women that "go for it"--not all--have suffered sexual violence, such as child sex abuse, rape and other things. That doesn't absolve them, but, it is the underlying reason why some women allow themselves to be prostituted like that.

Animals do not "screw" randomly, they usually are in heat and they usually do it because reproduction. It is thought that only the human animal has sex for other reasons than procreation.

Most women lie to themselves when they say no connection to their sexual partner. Most women need that connection in order to function sanely.

This thread has gotten off topic. PB and AKA Monet hijacked it. JK:p

So, it is my understanding regarding animals that lack "fidelity" and have sex with any and everything, like Chimps and Dogs, have sex that way because they are trying to ensure to promotion of their genes. The males want to make sure their genes are transmitted. As far as the females go, it is a non issue to them. They have an estrus cycle without a sense of "morality".

However, there are animals that "mate for life". Like a shrew and a sea bird. These animals, if you put them with other mates, will NEVER mate. Occassionaly, the mice will do the same thing every now and then. Never mate with a different one.

But as far as STD's. Well, Chimps are the major vector for the first strain of HIV-1 that then mutated to HIV-2 and possibly HIV-3.

But, I don't think most people absolutely WANT to transmit their STI to others, most people don't know they have a STI until it is actually something like HIV infection and they come down with something huge.

Dolphins stay with only one too, and they actually mate for pleasure like humans. I'll lay off the animal thing. Other members are going to see this and then this thread is going to turn into a train wreck. :rolleyes:

What I'm getting at is this. For example when I was in undergrad, if I went out with a woman my brothers would say "Did you bone her?":rolleyes: Or I would hear guys talk about how many women they screwed. Comments like, "Oh yeah, I boned her. Man if you can stay in that longer than 15 minutes, then I'll give you a trophy. She's got some good @@#$." Then laugh about it. Why is that funny and cool? People are just scared to get in a serious relationship. When I date, I date to see if this is a woman that I can court long term. Hopefully to see if it's someone I can see spending a lifetime with through marriage. If she's not that kind of a girl, I'm not just going to screw her and be out. I'll move on to the next woman.

For the jokers who don't know they have an STD, obviously they either have been with multiple partners, or have slept with a trifling joker that gave it to them. Either way, the draws were probably dropped too early.