[QUOTE]Originally posted by MissSunshine:
[B]"What I'm hearing from most people who voted for Bush is that they voted for him because he is about putting responsibility in the hands of the people."

Exactly, he values us as a people by giving us the power unlike Gore who is for big government. We dont want to see the "White House" turn into a Motel 6 Circus Charade where we have a commander in chief that CANNOT lead by example. Look at what kind of example the Clinton's Administration set for the men and women of the military that get court martialed for fraternizing(A man of a higher rank having an improper relationship with a female of a lower rank). What a double standard. I'm not talking just sex either. Even in the military that situation/regulation is not all about sex. I firmly believe he obstructed justice even though they never proved it. At any rate I feel that Bush has qute a lot to contribute to this country in terms of responsibility/integrity/vision to the office of the President but I guess I could see why others would rather see Gore in office. That Florida controversy does puzzle me why voters there felt they were tricked or mislead. They had to have been elderly voters because when I voted it was plane as day. I agree that if they felt that adamant about it they should of rechecked it a couple times and it just looks like they are making a lot of noise to start a controversy.

[This message has been edited by kmullini (edited November 09, 2000).]

My mother was a party committeewoman for years, so I practically grew up at the polls. There are at least 3 "watchers" from each party there, plus the officials of the election board. There is also a mock-up of the ballot outside the voting booths. If you don't understand it, you can ASK! If you screw up, you can notify the board and have your ballot destroyed or your vote invalidated. And if you are elderly and/or have bad vision, you can get special permission for someone to go in the voting booth with you.

I don't care if you're 18 or 118 - if the help is there and you don't ask questions when you have them, don't complain if things don't come out the way you wanted. Ignorance is absolutely, positively NOT an excuse, and if you think it is, you shouldn't be voting.

33 girl,

I respect your comments but at the same time, if you feel you are doing the right thing, then who can fault you for that? When they showed a copy of the ballot on television, it is clear that it is very confusing to have the punch marks in the middle. According to reports, Florida law requires that the choices be on the right, not the middle. If the shoe was on the other foot and this was a Bush problem, I would say the same thing. I think that people THOUGHT they were okay in voting for Gore but then, realized the discrepancy with the ballot. Personally, I think the entire nation should use the same kind of voting machines. I have voted in two different states in 96 and just 2 days ago and both times, they were electronic voting machines where you pull the lever or press a button and it's over. This archaic system of punching holes and using cardboard is SOOOOOOO outdated. And this electoral college thing has to go as well. The people elected Al Gore, fair and square. If the people had elected George Bush (and I'm talking about the popular vote), I would say the same thing.

This whole election, whatever the outcome, has really tarnished my already bad image of America, land of democracy, home of the free...

yeah, riiiiiiiiiiggght. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Hasn't a BUNCH of people predicted that the end of the world was to come in the year 2000. . . well. . .looks like they were right with THIS race!


Also, who was it that said that presidents elected in a year ending with a 0 will die in office? All but 1 or 2 have. So really we should have been looking at the VP candidates rather than the presidential candidates themselves.

WHAT????????? - CHILD PLEASE!!!!
Why is it so funny, Bush asked for the recount, he knew his brother hooked things up for him in good ole Flo-rida and so he cried recount, it was recounted, taken away from Gore and later given to Bush ...that is what is funny, and then people jump for joy that he is president ...until wait - there is another recount, oh now no one has the state. That is funny, and like we are stating, bush is winning there, and this is the determining state and it is his brothers state - what part of the planet are you from?? So, no if Gore wins, I would not think it is a conspiracy -why??

Glad you voted for bush, hope you can live with him and make out better after 4 years, then you did these past 8!! And on the issues he has not done that well, he can't speak intelligently on any topic and he can't even name some of the surrounding countries, allies or not. Who cares about the statics in Texas, Dubya is a **** you fill the blanks in!!

And there is a huge difference in letting a women choose what she wants to do and having the government mandate MURDER!! Mrs. Christian women I thought you would know that 2 wrongs don't make a right, new testament is not EYE for and EYE!! And it is not for abortion either, but taking the right away is not going to make ABORTION stop- let the woman deal with god, it has nothing to do with bush or the government!!

One last thing, i gotta get it all out because I don't frequent this board a lot - So a convicted murderer has no rights, and what if he is not guilty, cause you know our system is not all that, many of MY people have undoubtedly been in this situation, so what - you kill them off first and apologize later. I am now not attacking bush, but your comment on the death penalty!!!
And as for bush, he still gets joy out of murdering another human and that scares me!!

[This message has been edited by LadyAKA (edited November 09, 2000).]

Hey Everyone,
I just heard a reporter from Palm County, Florida discussing some interesting figures. First of all, Buchanan got 3400 votes (which is why people are saying they accidentally voted for him instead of Gore), but - in 1996, Buchanan received 8000 votes in the same county...which makes one wonder if the vote was really all that inaccurate. Second, these 19,000 votes that are invalid because they are double punched...in 1996, 15,000 were double punched as well - so again, it puts these seemingly outrageous numbers in perspective. Another note, again, the Elections Board rep that designed the punch ballot is a democrat, and she and her crew have stated that the ballot was specially designed to have large print for the seniors to see easier. The ballot was printed in the newspapers, mailed to every registered voter, and was on display according to law at the voting locations. Furthermore, there is a section at the very end where the voter must punch the hole to certify that this is how their ballot should be cast, and that if there are any questions/concerns to ask for assistance. If you had made any mistakes, they were there to hand out additional ballots (which several people did take advantage of). I spoke earlier about the problem I had with the computer voting, and I just asked for assistance to correct the problem.

It is not fair to have people re-vote. Just recount the ballots and determine who carried the state. I do not believe in the Electoral College, but, I also do not believe in changing the rules in the middle of the game. Weeks and months ago when the prediction was the opposite (Gore winning EC and Bush winning popular vote) there was not a peep from the Gore camp about abolishing the EC. However, if you will look into the Bush campaign from the very start, he was the only one that stated he was against the EC and wanted to amend the constitution if he got into office. So again, Bush has been consistent, whereas Gore has only felt the need to jump in when it will best serve him. I believe that Gore is afraid because of those 10,000 outstanding absentee ballots, because the majority of them are military personnel, and do tend to vote Republican (especially when the funding has been so drastically cut, and the morale at an all time low for the past 8 years)....but this is a big "if" and we remember what Dan says about "ifs" http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif I just wanted to throw some current #'s out to show that its not like Buchanan has never had a vote in this county.

I was watching the Today show this morning and they said that he got 3400 votes from Palm County, FL this year and only around 1300 in 1996. They said that he got 3 times the number of votes this year than in 1996 in FL.

Pat was also on the Today show and even he said that he felt that people accidently voted for him instead of Gore because of the huge increase in the number of votes this year.

MaMaBuddha,

You're exactly right! Sometimes I feel that some of our fellow Americans are SOOOOO stupid! I mean, if the Clinton/Gore administration has been able to make life better for everyone in this country as far as education and the economy, why would you want to change it? Isn't there a saying that says "if it's not broke, don't fix it." The problem with society and particularly our generation, every one is about "me, me, me." As long as they are okay, screw everyone else and that is not the way to be.

Sometimes, I think that people just voted for Bush just because they wanted a change of face in the White House, they didn't really analyze the issues and George W. track record in his state.

It's sad, really sad.

I think I'm opting for a move to Canada, maybe Toronto or Windsor. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

What about Daddy Bush and his "Read my lips. No new taxes."

I would just like to mention that I agree with what has been said thus far. Bush want's to put the decision in the hands of the people. This is a big thing with him. How can you make a decision if you have no options? You can't. Bush does not give a flying _______ (you fill in the blank) about those people who don't have any options as things stand.

I would like to remind everyone that this country was settled by people searching for religious freedom. Not just religious freedom for those who are Christians, but for everyone (as much as it might pain some of y'all to contemplate that fact). Religion often also shapes morality. Somethings that are not acceptable to members of certain religions--say eating pork for example-- are perfectly acceptable to others.

The larger issue I refer to hear is abortion. If it does not compromise the individual moral and religious beliefs than what right does the government have to assert dominion over what should be an individual's choice. Last I checked government and church were supposed to be separate. Your can not force your morality code on anyon else.

If Bush is so for choices, why won't he let the woman make this choice for herself. Does he not trust women to choose what is right for their own bodies. Some trust. Also legal abortions are better than the seedy back alley alternatives that were once, and will again become the reality if folks like Bush have their way.


Well I have said my piece and I am sure in the process I have offended many, many people. Let's just try to continue to keep this civil 'kay.


[This message has been edited by Little32 (edited November 10, 2000).]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Little32:
What about Daddy Bush and his "Read my lips. No new taxes."

Okay - What about Clinton "I did not have sexual relations with her"? What does what George Bush said have to do with George W. Bush in this case?

Also legal abortions are better than the seedy back alley alternatives that were once, and will again become the reality if folks like Bush have their way.

Actually no it won't become reality again - Bush even stated this during the debate. There is no way that a president will ever be able to reverse Roe v. Wade. This will never happen.

Again I want to state that Al Gore is all for the death penalty. People still seem to think that he isn't - this was a major discussion during the debate...the fact that they agreed on this issue was phenomenal!

We've been through all of this before. What's done is done. None of us on here are going to change anyone's opinion one way or the other. Its not like other discussions where we learn from each other. There's nothing to learn here except that Gore people think Gore should be president, and Bush people think Bush should be president. Either way, thank God/Goddess/fill in religious icon here ____ we're free to think and say pretty much what we want. (Just a little Veteran's Day note in memory of my grandfather and all the vets who gave their heart and soul for this country)!

if BUSH wins,

Europe here i come...

how can people forget about the<b> war (desert storm)</b> where some of my friends where killed in. oh yeah, the <b>recession</b>...damn, did we forget about that???

looks like the rich will get richer and the poor will be executed under BUSH!!!

Roe vs. Wade: A president can't reverse it but a largely conservative Supreme court can. Maybe not by reversing that particula case, per se, but by making a series of rulings that pretty much nullify the result of that particular case. It has happened before. If you want I will tell you when.

I'm with you on that. My father celebrated his Marine Corp. birthday yesterday and my grandfather is a WW2 Navy veteran and lead a strike on Okinawa, Japan during that time.


"Either way, thank God/Goddess/fill in religious icon here ____ we're free to think and say pretty much what we want. (Just a little Veteran's Day note in memory of my grandfather and all the vets who gave their heart and soul for this country)!"

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I just wanted to say that i completely agree with everything that AXO Alum has said through-out this entire thread. I also voted for Bush, who i am pretty positve about that will win this election whenever it does end. I think it is very poor upon the rest of you that have been name calling and saying things like "if Bush wins, im moving to europe". Its funny how AXO Alum has numbers and facts to prove what Al Gore has made mistakes, but then those who support Gore just name call Bush. Lets grow up a little and if you disagree with Bush then give us actual proofs!!

Little,
If you really want to point out GW's shortcomings by invoking the words of his father, then it is fair game to invoke Gore's fathers record as well.

Remember, it was Gore Sr., as well as a majority of southern Democratic congressman, that opposed the civil rights acts of the 60's.

So, by taking the "fathers" viewpoints into account, I don't think either candidate will be able to claim the higher moral ground.