;)

You two are "cute." :)

what can I say, white kids on this board have to stick together.

Canada did it first in 2005. ;)

You mean we don't? Darn, and that's the reason I joined an NPC sorority in the first place.... ;)

I'll be sure to start a thread next time there is a game in which two white running backs start against each other.

Aw, guys. It's one thing if you want to make the claim that the time has arrived that we should consider only the individual's circumstances because the wrongs of past group discrimination have been addressesed or that it's better for individuals in the long run to focus on individual merit. I don't know if I'd agree, but both claims seem like they could be made in good faith.

It's something else if you want to claim that the absence of black head coaches was purely coincidental and that individual simply "weren't qualified" for a job that in some ways there are no set qualifications for. Do you also imagine that the reason that southern schools didn't integrate until the early '60 was because there were no qualified applicants? You seem to be ignoring history completely.

I kind of doubt that every owner or general manager actually thought, "well this guy is better qualified, but we can't hire him because he's black" but other people may believe that it was that direct. I think that for whatever goofy racial reason, they couldn't see the black guy as fully qualified.

Now, I'm done too here because this thread doesn't need any more of this either.

Superbowl coaches! Woo Hoo!

:D I know the author of this article and his wife! :D

We're not ignoring history, but there comes a point, at least in my mind, where things have evened out. I don't think coaches have been hired based on skin color in quite a while, and I think the only reason its taken this long is that past lack of opportunity meant a smaller pool of black coaches. However, I think for the most part things have caught up. I do think the ownership complaint is ridiculous.

WHy do you say "for the most part" then?



Well, seeing as how there is not history in this situation that would justify your cheering other than the same justification whites have given for supporting whites just because they are white forever in America, then yeah you should be looked at funny.

-And I can't believe you and your bosom buddy are acting like things are so color blind now. You KNOW the race of the man is considered when thinking about hiring them, whether they are making one statement or another. YOU all are the ones who are being unrealistic when you say or even think (and I'm sure you're forcing yourself to think this way) that those people who look at a group of individuals and have to consider who to hire don't look at the fact the one is black and one is white. Whether they utilize those thoughts to decide to hire or refrain from hiring is what no one knows, but the thoughts are most certainly there, I'm sure, and I would not doubt too seriously that they aren't jumping at the chance to pick the black man over the white one. If they do, then I think there was some internal (meaning within themselves) or external pressure to do so, which is sad.

Well I for one am proud of the fact that there are two black coaches going to the Superbowl. ;)

:D I know them too! :D

some background and data amidst the conjecture...
 

http://www.findjustice.com/nfl/indextext.html
"Black Coaches in the National Football League"

This report led to the creation of the NFL's current policy of inclusion of minority candidates in the interviewing processes of NFL clubs.

For the record, Frederick Douglass "Fritz" Pollard was named a head coach in 1921 in the APFA, which became the NFL a year later. Art Shell was the first African American head coach in the NFL's modern era (1989).

Both men are brothers of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc.

Infiltration? ;):eek: Spies?

It's an interesting read. Where do you know them from? (I'm nosey)

Canada's so progressive. Universal healthcare and coaches. :)

Thanks for the clarification, which will lead shortsighted people to say "see, I told you people that there's no exclusion of black coaches."

Is it possible that the Frederick Douglass that the Alphas list as an honorary is really "Fritz" Pollard? :) Just kidding.

Haha, let's not compare Canadian football to the NFL.

And Delt, you are correct, Art Shell was the first, with the Raiders.