Ms. White,

1. I respect the fact that you are a rechartering member. I do remember the name. I as well am a rechartering member of APO at Howard.

2. I respect your opinions on the subject matter. All of your opinions have caused me to think. The reason I decide to join in the discussion.

3. Never said that *I* do not care about your org or that *members* of APO don't. Where and what way did I question your history or importance...especially on HU's campus? I made a statement, and it wasn't negative towards you at that. I lived in Moorland Springarn. Very familiar with all that you speak of, including the GSS history because parts of it was important to ZPhi history and rechartering. I used that analogy to compare GSS and female bruhs...us being 2nd fiddle to you. Yes, sweethearts tended to become GSS or D9 members, but out to the mouths of brothers, including Swygert, Togo West and Dean Keene (I'm sure you remember him if you rechartered, he was still at HU in 2004), they said sweethearts were more of their sisters and sometimes became their "official sisters" (GSS members). I was refering to the RELATIONSHIP, not the stepping stone, importance, or anything else besides that.


4. Yes, I hate that fact that you all went through that with brothers of zeta phi. That was irresponsible and disrespectful and the things I do know about, I voiced my disagreement. Feel free to contact me anytime about events. I'm always interested. Maybe a deeper understanding will help me prevent any future drama and possibly create an organizational relationship with ALL members of both org's. If you want my facebook info, feel free to IM me. I'm better with notes on there.

5. I do acknowledge the bond between the organizations. My reference to it not being official was used to support a fact, not downplay or disrespect the bond the org's have.

6. HUGE COSIGN on why people join those org's...I definitely know that ;-)

7. As far as I'm concerned, we are connected org's in retrospect of the foundations we stand on and our interconnections. The issues stem, once again, from each side (female bruhs and gss) being played against one another and told different things by the other. Questions: when will it end? I personally would like to see the day ALL members recognize both organizations as a whole....we could be a mighty force if we wholeheartedly supported one another. But I digress...

Bottom line...........

I have no "beef" with GSS, my comments on here we not meant to "beef", and everything I have stated I have supported as such but yet in still I get replies directed as me having "beef" or trying to be "disrepectful". NOT. THE. CASE. My only beef is with APO male brothers who choose to disrepect me. What could I possibly gain from disliking the GSS organization? NOTHING. I know the things male members try to feed me are BS, and that was because I had a relationship with GSS members on campus who I was friends with and were real with me in every way.

Is there anything else I have stated that you question or would like me to clear up that anyone on here has perceived as negative? I wouldn't what you all thinking that I'm trying to be negative when that's far from where I'm coming from. I do have the tendency to sound like and A.Hole when I'm simply stating facts or asking questions.

On a better note...Good luck in all that you do and I hope GSS does get to where they wanna go, and beyond. And yes, I'm sincere and that comes from the heart.

i can appreciate your last post, but i just wanted to show the specific response that got the long lecture from me...

OK, thank you for giving me more understanding on the situation. From some discussions that I was in after Rose-Hulman went co-ed, the school seems likely to remain all-male for a while.

But I don't expect anyone on staff to expect that Wabash's chapter will have to race to go co-ed. If Wabash only has half a dozen women on campus the first year they go co-ed, I don't think the chapter should deliberately try to recruit at least one just to show that they can go co-ed.

But we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Personally, I'd like to have that problem with additional chapters at Morehouse and Hampden-Sydney. :)