^yes, i'll agree with that. I have a family member that played for Philadelphia from '75-'80 and he said they did alot of stuff to the rookies.

Hazing laws are such a double standard. Like someone said, the reason NFL and pro sports don't get hurt is because of one thing: MONEY.

It's so stupid that they get away with stuff that fraternities get ripped by the media if they do the same exact thing.

Double Standards only cause more problems, not prevent them.

On the other hand, how many NFL Rookies have been killed by hazing?

And, they're all old enough to drink.

A few years ago a player on the Saints was hit in the face with a roll of quarters and almost lost an eye.

Well, you should also consider that there are a lot more greek life members in the U.S. than there are NFL players. I'm sure that one day NFL hazing may result in serious injury, but there simply arent as many opportunities for it that there are in American greek life. On a side note, is the rate of death among greeks higher than other subsets of society? I highly doubt it. I'd also challenge how pro sports exist at all. I imagine there are several team sports and popular sports which claim the lives of more people than do fraternities. However, I don't see society outraged about boxing or outraged about tackling in football. Why's that? Because its VOLUNTARY THATS WHY. Now, some of you people will surely say, "well, fraternities arent really voluntary because if they quit they'll be stigmatized," and that may be true. However, do you not think you'll be stigmatized if you leave a football team, or want to leave the army? Of course you will. Double standard indeed.

OH BS, it is a right of Passage of the NFL/Pro Sports Team and Military.:mad:

Greeks Hell NO as it should be!

Drinking age has nothing to do with it.

It boils down if people are Stupid enough to do it, it will continue!:mad:

We as Greeks are in the lime light and will always be for being stupid college kids, the elite so to speak!

Oh, that is BS too!

New Viking Coach ends Hazing
 

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn...c.php?t=117155

On the other hand, Panther slide/audio show of their hazing:
http://www.goupstate.com/apps/pbcs.d.../1005/sports08

And while not all that great, not left alone out side over night.

And does anyone here really think or believe that the coaching staff, training staff, management, owners, unions, players reps would let it get too out of hand?

As what happens all to often on college campus's? Where no one is looking out for the "victim"?

Or to put it another way: how often have has a chapter done it's hazing in outside, in the day time with members of the press, law enforcement, Dean of Students office, medical staff, legal department and parents looking over it?