Just don't call it the war between the states :)

I hate when people say it wasn't a civil war, Virginia was ripped in half :(

Still not whole...

Does anyone else find the term "Civil War" a really strange contridiction of terms.

How can any war be "civil?"

Thank you Axl Rose. LOL.

Did he say that? Not being a fan -- actually never having heard him perform -- I wasn't aware of that.

I saw on some news website that he was arrested in London (I think) recently for biting someone.

MSN can be rather helpful:
civil

civ·il [ sívv'l ]

adjective Definition: 1. polite: polite, but in a way that is cold and formal

2. relating to citizens: relating to what happens within a state or between different citizens or groups of citizens
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Civ·il War

noun Definition: 1. 19C U.S. war: the civil war fought in the United States from 1861 to 1865 between the North and the slave-owning states of the South

2. 17C English war: the civil war fought in England between the Royalist supporters of Charles I and the Parliamentarians led by Oliver Cromwell, between 1642 and 1648civ·il war (plural civ·il wars)

noun Definition: war within country: a war between opposing groups within a country

I understand the definition. I still think it's an ironic use of words.

I do agree with you.
civ·il [ sívv'l ]

adjective Definition: 1. polite: polite, but in a way that is cold and formal

2. relating to citizens: relating to what happens within a state or between different citizens or groups of citizens
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If You Know DeltaAlum Like I Know DeltaAlum, You would understand!

When one has insight as We get info it is so sad and sickening.

Good reconeing on Civil.

Is there any thing Civil anymore?:confused:

DA, Guns 'n' Roses had a song called "Civil War" and at the end Axl goes "What's so civil about war, anyway?" Then again, that was back when he was cool and hadn't completely flipped out.

I've been dreaming of the time when
The English are sick to death of Labour and Tories
And spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell
And denounce this royal line that still salutes him
And will salute him
Forever

Only Morrissey can rock out and make it a history lesson at the same time.

ktsnake didn't mention this but one of our prominent chapters was taken down by national.

Our University of Kansas chapter was our historic first western expansion and they got busted by Sigma Nu National for hazing.

Sigma Nu takes hazing extremely seriously (we were founded against hazing that was going on at Virginia Military Institute).

Even if Sigma Nu didn't want to suspend a large chapter like Ole Miss they'd do what they did to my chapter in the mid 90s, they'd just interview every active and pledge and then expel everybody who was involved in hazing and re-organize.

Yes, I remember that as the second main offense at Kansas Un. LXA House Was just across the Circle from there.

I was sadden to hear of this closing and more so now knowing it was for The Correct reasons.

It has come to a choice of closing Chapters no matter waht for RM and other Non compliant Rules.

Mu Chaqpter of LXA at the Un. Of Cal. was closed and it was one of the first Chapters of LXA and the First on the West Coast.

It does happen. Let it be a warning and an awakening for all of us.

It used to be just Fraternitys but now, it seems som Sororitys are being affected.

Hazing & Nationals
 

From personal knowledge and experience, SAE National takes matters very seriously.

GOOD as We all should!:o

We lost a few at the last G A:(

But it boils down to dont do it!

Tom,

I'm just wondering, when you pledged many many years ago did you get hazed? Did you haze pledges when you were an active? Please be honest.

When I "Pledged" a Fraternity of which I did not become a member of, the only hazing was pledge clean up on the common floor and line ups.

When I started a local, there was no hazing except what I mentioned abouve.

Of course that was then and this is now.

Oh, if making "Pledges" do study time, we did that, but of course that is hazing now. We also required Actives to spend time studying as We were there to make grades and graduate.

That is honest as I can be and am proud of the fact!:) We asked Men to join us and felt an obligation to them to get them active and be frutful memebers.

But as You said, that was a long time ago!:(