It was for both...or so it seemed. Jill mentioned that Ally had arthritis, but then when Jill asked Ally why she wants to go to the detox center Ally says its because she wants to lose weight. Jill even mentions that she hopes the detox center will help Ally lose weight.

I think it's great that Ramona's husband gets their daughter ready for school. It's great to see a father concerned with his child and spend so much educational and bonding time and you can be certain she will grow up knowing how a man is supposed to treat her. Ramona on the other hand I can take or leave. But she should at least know her daughter's after school activities.

ETA: Oh and I LOVE the names Francois and Johan-their family names and very historical and meaningful. Plus the family's rich so the other kids in school are gonna have names like Miles Huffington Turnberry Wilmingston IX anyways.

I actually got a kick out of OC.........but this new one in New York makes me want to vomit.

The pretentiousness and self-entitlement is mind blowing. Bunch of materialistic assbags.

I loved the one episode where one of them said she never has to try to reach some of her friends because she knows they have the same social/party schedule. Get over yourself.

I've been watching, but the OC ladies still are my favorites.

Ramona has got to be the trashiest person! Who has bad hair like that? I haven't seen the one sided comb style in YEARS!! Plus for a woman who appears to have no people skills, I hope she gets a coach for her daughter!

And I will say that growing up either my dad or our nanny would wake my sister and I up in the mornings. This was only b/c my mom left for work at 6am so she could be home to do the afternoon schedule.

The others are ok. I kinda feel for Jill and Ally, she wants her daughter to mesh with her new husband and I'm sure it's hard for the whole family.

Bethenny still grates my nerves from season 1 of the Apprentice. And seriously, if you want a baby, GO HAVE A BABY! Stop talking about pushing your boyfriend into making a family. Single women have babies on their own, it's not a faux paux anymore.

I knew Bethenny looked familiar! I just couldnt figure out where I recognized her from..thanks Sailorgirl!

I think its interesting to see some of the differences on how they spend their money. Most of the OC women's kids didnt really do much with their lives, went to public school even though they had money, and they would rather give them new cars than encourage college. Whereas all the NYC housewive's kids go to private school or they have mentioned how important education is.

Most OC women had work done to themselves, but it seems the NYC women havent.

I'm sure there are other difference but those were the 2 that came to mind. Having grown up on the east coast and currently living OC, those differences hold true I think in the general population so I find it fascinating.

One of the things I like about the NYC women is they do so much charity work. It's part of the social scene that Jill mentions. Almost all of the parties they attend are benefits and fund raisers. I think the only parties we saw the OC women attend were at the Playboy Mansion or by someone's pool. I don't ever remember the OC women mentioning raising money for Charity.

I agree with HBADPi's take on education. I think the only OC kid who though it was important was Vicky's daughter. Vicky's son went to Colorado to study beer and women. Jeanna's boys are interested only in baseball (Cara started at Berkley in January because she wasn't accepted to USC and UCLA). Lauri's kids barely finished high school (I'm not sure about Josh); her step-kids didn't go to college either. Tammy's youngest daughter wanted to go to school, but didn't have a brain in her head; the oldest wanted to get tatoos and train pitbulls. Tamara's son is, well, duhhhhh!

I think the NYC women dress much classier (exception is Ramona), and yes Ramona and Alex need to do something with their hair. The OC women run around in jeans and skimpy tops with their Double Dees hanging out. I'm sure the NYC women have had some work done, it's just more discrete and natural, where the viewer doesn't say, "oh my God, her face doesn't move when she smiles"

Just my opinion.

How do you figure that? I'm curious (and i dont mean it to be sarcastic, i'm truly interested). What's the difference between private vs public school? Just because you go to a public school doesn't mean you are less likely to go to college.

All the NYC women have children that are 15 and below, so you can't say all those kids will go to college. True there are some OC kids who didn't go to college, but that happens everywhere. Brianna is in school, so is Michael. Shane aspires to be a baseball player, and from what it seems like he's doing pretty well. Cara is in school (so who cares that she didn't get accepted to USC or UCLA? That doesn't negate the fact that's she going to a pretty darn good school). I'm pretty sure Josh said something about going to college, and aren't Lauri's step-kids barely out of high school? I know McKenzie is younger than Ashley.

I do agree that the OC and NYC women think of money in different ways. The OC women are more "materialistic"--they want to buy expensive things, purses, cars, clothes, boobs---while the NYC women use money to hang over people's heads.

I kinda disagree with you all saying that the NYC women care more about charity, I think the only one that truly cares about charity is Bethenny. Going to charity and fundraiser events is just an opportunity to climb the social ladder. I honestly respect people more if they decided not to give to charity rather to the people who give to charity so they can have a "look at me, I gave 1 million to so-and-so charity so now i'm popular, love me cause now i can have friends and parties to go to and i'm not a wallflower anymore" attitude.

Yeah, there are a lot of people who would say that Cal is a better school than UCLA, and MOST would say that it's better than USC. I'm amazed that she got in to Cal but was rejected by USC.

I had the same thought as you regarding the NY women's charity events. I don't think they go to them because they believe in the charity - they go to them because they're social events and things that Society go to.

One thing goes for both of these shows' women: they may have all the money in the world, but most of them look and act like trash. Bethanny and LuAnn in NY look nice and are OK, but the OC women look like they're trying to desperately recapture their 20s, and some of the NYC women have way outdated and unflattering hair. And most of them prove that money doesn't buy class.

I'm pretty sure the private school thing (and not just ANY private school, but the ones that require you to be on waiting lists from conception) is just as much a Society thing as attending charity events. Because private schools are just as dime a dozen asa public schools but only a portion of them mean anything when it comes to college admissions. Not that i'm an expert, but i've met many of private school grads who probably would've fared the same in public school.

And in my experience, private schools get reps under three categories - how whore-y the girls are, how awesome the sports teams are, or how much money you need to get in. Which is essentially what colleges do. private HS leads into private college which lead into more private circles, social, professional or otherwise.

Bingo.

It's so silly, because a good portion of kids at private universities went to public high schools, and a lot of kids from public high schools go on to private colleges. Myself being one. Maybe the public schools close to where these women live in NYC are not quality schools? If that's the case, I get it. But I really don't understand why most people spend so much money putting their kids in a private, "elite" kindegarten or nursery school.

I hear you, being that NYC has some of of the greatest HS. but whatever works i guess.

And i agree, spending thousands on private kindergarten/nursery school is silly, however those beginning years (K-3) are so vital to the kid's success afterwards. I suppose if you get it into the kid's head from the beginning that school is serious business, the message will stick, especially if you keep them in said environment.

Both Ramona and Alex have bad hair and questionable teeth. If they're so concerned about looks, how could they overlook those two things?

All the captions say "Ramona's daughter" when they show Avery - does this mean Mario is her stepfather? Somehow, I got the impression that he was, but maybe I'm reading something into it.

I don't think Mario is a step-father (particularly if he is getting Avery ready for school each day and dropping her off). If I remember right, the OC show also referenced only the housewife (i.e. Vicky's Daughter).