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Re: Wow @ Howard Pikes "Colonization"

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Originally posted by Finer Woman10-A-91
1. I did n't realize the original thread was deleted.(shady)

2. After all is said and done...the HU community has NOT embraced PiKA as revealed publicly in the student newspaper...sad, unfortunate, avoidable and understandable at the same time.

3. I think we will see the true value of the organization within the men who are the "colonizers" (that word just feels very uncomfortable) post graduation.

4. Even more interesting that PiKA members are "out and about" like 2 and a half months before any of the new members of the other Greeks organizations have been revealed to the campus...(I know their rush system is not the same...still interesting)

5. I wonder if the new members will want to "bond" with their Greek counterparts or for that matter care about their Greek counterparts. IE. I know who DST 10-A-91 and APhiA 10-B-91 are...and they definitely get special shouts when I see them.

Hmm...maybe that stuff is not important anymore in Greek life. :(

Interesting question. But I think they will do their best to associate with all of the Greek Organizations. They may seem to be an island but are they really?

NC A & T seems to be doing very well as the The LXA Chapter recruited 16 New Associates.:cool: This is the Spring Sem. and I dont know for sure how the Rush schedual is.

Re: Howard Pikes

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Originally posted by RobertsonHoward
...The men of Pi Kappa Alpha are supposed to embody the ideals of scholars, leaders, atheletes and gentlemen... and as far as I am concerned these men are just that. I look forward to the day where I can call them my brothers....

Atheletes? Interesting?

Why is a prodominately white fraternity that chooses to colonize at Howard ANY different than a black fraternity that chooses to come to a school that was once unfriendly to blacks?

UNFRIENDLY is a VERY loose word usage...I think a better comparison would be to ask has a predominately White group of college Students EVER ventured to form a historically Black organization on a historically white campus.

I would argue that Pike is a product of the time and place it was formed. It is foolish and naive to think that ANY greek organization formed in the south would not be segregated in 1868. Sorry, its a sad truth. The whites only clause was dropped in 1960, which is in line with many organizations of the same time period.

INCORRECT. NPHC, ALSO GREEK organizations never had Blacks ONLY clauses in their doctrine.
Were any PiKA chapter's charter's revoked for continued racist practices post 1960?

I mean the Emancipation Proclamation was signed January 1st 1863. College environments are generally thought to be the place where folks were more "enlightened". I think its very important to take ownership of a racist past...but in one's defense be willing to illustrate how that negative past was overcome.

I have not read one example where this has been the case. I am not sure if that is because the organization (PiKA) just went with the flow and integrated quietly or if there was a concerted effort to right obvious wrongs. Do you care to elaborate what the truth is in this case from PiKA point of view.

The people of the Howard colony understand that. They want a Pike chapter there because it is NOT a "historically white fraternity".

Why do you say your fraternity is not historically white?

...In conclusion, the way that the NPHC fraternity and sorority people portrayed the founding fathers at the Howard Chapter was wrong.

YOUR opinion, and your opinion deserves no more merit than those who expressed feelings not supportive of the "colonization"...btw, we refer to ourselves as Sorority and Fraternity MEMBERS...not simply "people"
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I think that their efforts are good for Pike, good for the diversity of Howard, and good for greek life in general.

Diversity at Howard University is NOT an interest or need. HBCUs serves a very important and specific purpose in the Black community.

These men are not confused, they are just the only ones willing to put in the time and effort to take the next step in the evolution of Greek Life.

I think we will not be able to truly see the "evolution" until a Howard Alumni PiKA chapter of men is formed...otherwise, I am wholely convinced the PiKAs at HU will morph into a quasi NPHC organization on campus...with all of the trappings...line names, line numbers, calls, stepping, strolling, grips...etc. which I truly feel would be WRONG since that is NONE of those things are within the PiKA tradition.

...I challenge anyone to seek out some of the Howard Colony and talk to them... you might just realize that what they are trying to do isn't so bad.

I don't think colonization of PiKA is bad...However at Howard U. I think its misguided, shortsighted, and on some levels

sad.

(original poster's comments shortened to address specific points)

UNFRIENDLY is a VERY loose word usage...I think a better comparison would be to ask has a predominately White group of college Students EVER ventured to form a historically Black organization on a historically white campus.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
No, why would they? Thats like asking a baptist minister and his congregation to go into a mormon community and set up a mosque.

Diversity at Howard University is NOT an interest or need.

Diversity cannot be a one-way road.

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Diversity at Howard University is NOT an interest or need.

Howard claims otherwise on its own web site:

http://www.howard.edu/campustour/Exp.../Diversity.htm

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
Why dont HBCUs allow HBGLOs?

Seems strange to me.:(

Usually for the same reasons a small number of PWIs do not allow GLOs.

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Originally posted by IvySpice
Howard claims otherwise on its own web site:

http://www.howard.edu/campustour/Exp.../Diversity.htm

That link brings up a interesting point about diversity. Eespecially since it says multi-cultural diversity and goes on to point out the support in gives International students.

I guess I don't see White students at Howard as diversity. Why? Because to me diversity is becoming exposed to, and learning about other cultures. Personally I grew up and still live in the White American culture.

Re: Re: Howard Pikes

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Originally posted by Finer Woman10-A-91
I don't think colonization of PiKA is bad...However at Howard U. I think its misguided, shortsighted, and on some levels

sad.

(original poster's comments shortened to address specific points)

GREAT POST!

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Originally posted by ladygreek
That link brings up a interesting point about diversity. Eespecially since it says multi-cultural diversity and goes on to point out the support in gives International students.

I guess I don't see White students at Howard as diversity. Why? Because to me diversity is becoming exposed to, and learning about other cultures. Personally I grew up and still live in the White American culture.

Yes. I should have gone deeper...diversity is one of those words now folks use to get funding.

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Originally posted by IvySpice
Howard claims otherwise on its own web site:

http://www.howard.edu/campustour/Exp.../Diversity.htm

International students are a part of the fabric of Howard University...and they pay more to attend HU too ;) ...so if that's HU's idea of diversity...I stand corrected. But "diversity" in the corporate sense...uh, no...that's NOT Howard University.

Please remember, PKA did not come to Howard Un. Students at Howard Un. Requested them to come.

If they requested PKA to come and it was accepted by The University, Students and Other GLOs that is their right.

Diversity is supposed to show the way of getting along, I have not seen this here on GC by some posters!:(

What is said Here Will Not change what happened and still happen there.

I just wish The New Fraternity at Howard Luck and Congratulations!

Why dont some of You!

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
Please remember, PKA did not come to Howard Un. Students at Howard Un. Requested them to come.

If they requested PKA to come and it was accepted by The University, Students and Other GLOs that is their right.

Diversity is supposed to show the way of getting along, I have not seen this here on GC by some posters!:(

What is said Here Will Not change what happened and still happen there.

I just wish The New Fraternity at Howard Luck and Congratulations!
Why dont some of You!

Some of us already have. You're not going to get 100% participation on that. Idealistic but not realisitic.

I'm looking forward to what that colony will grow into after the original 58 colonizers.

Re: Re: Howard Pikes

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Originally posted by Finer Woman10-A-91
I think we will not be able to truly see the "evolution" until a Howard Alumni PiKA chapter of men is formed...otherwise, I am wholely convinced the PiKAs at HU will morph into a quasi NPHC organization on campus...with all of the trappings...line names, line numbers, calls, stepping, strolling, grips...etc. which I truly feel would be WRONG since that is NONE of those things are within the PiKA tradition.

Um actually Finer Woman, this has happened with every historically white GLO on Howard's campus. Phi Sigma Pi has line names, numbers, calls and hand symbols. Delta Sigma Pi and Alpha Phi Omega have line names and numbers. Even Pals have a call and hand symbol now. Student government has calls. Specific floors in the Quad make strolls. Clearly organizations and even individuals on Howard's campus absorb certain aspects of Greek life and make them their own. So if Pikes at Howard make up calls, strolls, line names/numbers and hand symbols, they would not be the first historically white or non-NPHC organization to do so by a long shot...

edited for: spelling and grammar because Word usually does it for me...

Re: Re: Re: Howard Pikes

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Originally posted by PGPeripheryGirl
Um actually Finer Woman, this has happened with every historically white GLO on Howard's campus. Phi Sigma Pi has line names, numbers, calls and hand symbols. Delta Sigma Pi and Alpha Phi Omega have line names and numbers. Even Pals have a call and hand symbol now. Student government has calls. Specific floors in the Quad make strolls. Clearly organizations and even individuals on Howard's campus absorb certain aspects of Greek life and make them their own. So if Pikes at Howard make up calls, strolls, line names/numbers and hand symbols, they would not be the first historically white or non-NPHC organization to do so by a long shot...

edited for: spelling and grammar because Word usually does it for me...

And it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if this Pike chapter did embrace some local tradition. According to the anecdotes I've read on GC, many chapters of many different GLOs have local traditions as well as national ritual. It doesn't take away from their bond in the brother/sisterhood, but ties them into the campus.

I've said this before and will probably get heat for it again. One does not lose their pride in their ethnic background just because they choose to join a group that is predominantly of a different race.

Re: Re: Re: Howard Pikes

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We know this but thanks for reinforcing the point that some people have been making since they first heard about PIKE coming to HU. :)

On another note, will every PIKE at HU thread be a reiteration of posts from previous PIKE at HU threads? How redundant can people be everytime someone gives us a PIKE at HU update?

don't you think it is time that this thread is closed? We have beat
this Pike thing to death and it is, frankly, none of our business.
PiKA is not the first historically white to go on to a historically black campus, there are at least five of them and at least four of
the NIC historically white outfits who have. So, big deal.
Why don't we go about our business and let Howard and Pike do
the same?