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Take your own advice and read ALL of the posts in the thread. :) I made 3 other posts in this thread besides that one.

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
In all honesty, you probably will not get an answer to your critique of NPHC organizations, because no one on this board is qualified to speak on their organization in its totality (meaning that no one has the authority to speak on their organization in an official capacity). All I can do is speak about my experience, and I did, which you must have found unsatisfactory.

I think the other ladies in this thread have made a lot of great points, and that you may have become defensive instead of truly listening and taking in the advice. The questions that we ask are the same questions that will be asked by prospective members. Will you have answers for them?

I truly hope that you come back and re-read some of the responses, to help you and your group truly come to an understanding of what makes you unique.

1.) How can I find your experiences unsatisfactory? Explain that if you wish, I don't really need an answer, but that's interesting...Anyway, I was trying to make a point with that comment. The point: NPHC organizations are lacking in many areas (especially when it comes to them being civil with each other), and there is room for improvement. Argue that if you want, but I won't. Can't argue the truth.

2.) Sure the ladies here have made comments, all were appreciated and taken for what they were. Will we take the "advice" and change ourselves? No

3.) All the questions here we've been confronted with before. We have no problems with questions and welcome them, no matter what they are. No big deal, I just wanted to get some advice to the question I presented about advertising. I answered everyone's comments though.

4.) If someone can't see how KAG would be an asset, then we're not the organization for them. We're not pressed for members and don't have the need to reach a quota like some other organizations. However like most organizations, we wish to promote ourselves.

Hope I didn't leave anything unanswered.

I'm at work right now, so I have all the time in the world to answer questions without time restraints so ask away...

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Originally posted by the1beauty
1.) How can I find your experiences unsatisfactory? Explain that if you wish, I don't really need an answer, but that's interesting.

What jubilance was saying is that her story of her experiences was what you found unsatisfactory in regards of refuting your critique of NPHC groups.

Reading comprehension, it's what's for dinner.

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Originally posted by kddani
More questions:

Why did you seek to be incorporated before you even have your chapter up and running? It is my understanding that when the Divine 9 orgs became incorporated, it really meant something. However, for an organization founded today, becoming incorporated is only a matter of having the money to pay a lawyer to set it up for you.

ANSWER: Because becoming incorporated legally makes us a non-profit. We've been getting donations from people, but now their donations can be tax deductible...why not incorporate?

How is your corporate structure organized? How about your articles of incorporation- what do they say, particularly about your group's purpose? Who sits on the board of directors? Do you have an active body of adults (by adults I mean past college, with real world experience, etc.) on that board? Who paid for the attorney to set this all up? Who's going to continue to pay the attorney to make sure the corporation is running as it should and taking care of any business that comes up with it being a corporation?

ANSWER: That's not for you to worry about. We paid good money for a good lawyer to file our articles of incorporation, obtain an EIN, and file for tax exempt status. Money isn't a problem with us, not at all. Funding will never be an issue.

Doing the paperwork to become a corporation isn't all that tough, particularly with an attorney. However, running and maintaining a corporation, particularly with so few people, is very tough.

RESPONSE: I heed what you say, but know a lot about business and the law being that 1) I run an INTERNATIONAL promotion business. Want to know about it? PM me, I love showing it off.

2) I'm pre-law and heavily into preparing for law school

PLEASE remember that this chapter is the building block for all other potential chapters and for new members that join later. By worrying so much about incorporating, expanding, etc. you're putting the cart before the horse. This first chapter needs to be STRONG. Get it strong, get strong women, and then worry about the other stuff. If not, you're only setting yourself up to fail.

RESPONSE: True. I agree. We're going to thrive and do just fine. We've gotten a lot done to be so new.

Also curious as to how you can say (on your website) that your group does this, this and this, but you haven't done anything yet? Don't be saying you do something when you haven't even done it yet. And if you have, how about some pictures?

RESPONSE: Gir it time. Like I said we're new, and I believe the site says what we have planned...we'll go look back and fix the owrding if it's incorrect. But I don't believe it is.

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Originally posted by kddani
People are holding your group under scrutiny because it is new and unproven. NPHC groups are under constant scrutiny, I don't know where you're getting that from. Any large group is. No one here can speak for those groups- one person speaking for a group of tens of thousands of members isn't appropriate- but you can speak for yours as you are a founder.

I'm sorry that you didn't see it fit to address my post.

You came here asking questions and looking for advice. When given it, you get defensive. :confused: You seem to have some tunnel vision going on, with a dose of stubbornness. If you want to succeed, you're going to need the advice and assistance of many people. The advice and information you're getting here is worth its weight in gold. If you don't realize that, i'm sorry, but you're doing your group a great disservice.

You didn't give me anything. I asked about advertising...very few posts on this thread were helpful in regard to that.

And you don't know me personally, so don't say I'm getting "defensive". You have yet to see me be "defensive", and I doubt you will see that.

Thank you for answering those questions. Good luck to you as a pre-law student, but don't sweat the law too much until you get to law school.

<--- newly admitted attorney. (if you have any law school questions, feel free to PM me. Pitt Law Class of '05).

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Originally posted by 33girl
What jubilance was saying is that her story of her experiences was what you found unsatisfactory in regards of refuting your critique of NPHC groups.

Reading comprehension, it's what's for dinner.

Ha, that was funny...but If I'm not crystal clear on what someone is saying, I'm going to seek clarification.

You have the choice to seek understanding or assume and be an ass...

And (though I'm not calling anyone an ass, really I'm not. I do all my namecalling outright...), both of you assumed that I found it unsatisfactory. Did I ever say that I found her experiences unsatisfactory? No. If I don't say it, then that's not what it is.

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Originally posted by the1beauty
Ha, that was funny...but If I'm not crystal clear on what someone is saying, I'm going to seek clarification.

You have the choice to seek understanding or assume and be an ass...

And (though I'm not calling anyone an ass, really I'm not. I do all my namecalling outright...), both of you assumed that I found it unsatisfactory. Did I ever say that I found her experiences unsatisfactory? No. If I don't say it, then that's not what it is.

I didn't think anything about what you thought. I don't give a rat's rump, quite frankly.

Jubilance1922 said that SHE believed you found the STORY of her experiences unsatisfactory. If that is an incorrect belief, correct her, not me. I was simply correcting your misinterpretation of what she said in her post...not having an opinion one way or the other.

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Originally posted by kddani
Thank you for answering those questions. Good luck to you as a pre-law student, but don't sweat the law too much until you get to law school.

<--- newly admitted attorney. (if you have any law school questions, feel free to PM me. Pitt Law Class of '05).

I love to see women attorneys :)...and I'm going to PM you later with a few questions

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Originally posted by 33girl
I didn't think anything about what you thought. I don't give a rat's rump, quite frankly.

Jubilance1922 said that SHE believed you found the STORY of her experiences unsatisfactory. If that is an incorrect belief, correct her, not me. I was simply correcting your misinterpretation of what she said in her post...not having an opinion one way or the other.

Exactly...it was HER opinion. Unless you're in her mind or know her that well (which I doubt you do...), you can't answer for her.

And I believe I stated that I didn't really need an answer to that question, but she could if she wanted. Never was all that big a deal to me.

Alrighty...I'm back to answer for myself.

As for the part about "unsatisfactory":the1beauty, you made a statement about NPHC members, I gave my opinion, and you never acknowledged it. In fact, you responded with this:

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2) While everyone is still holding KAG under scrutiny, why couldn't anyone answer my questions about the problems with NPHC organizations? Yeah, I saw the Zeta and the SGRho on here didn't attempt to provide an answer...it's all good though.

Since this post came many posts after mine, I can only conclude that you didn't find the information you were looking for in it, since you said "Why couldn't anyone answer my questions about the problems with NPHC organizations?" Hence use of the word "unsatisfactory".

Also keep in mind that most people are not going to publicly discuss any perceived problems within their organization.

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Originally posted by jubilance1922
Alrighty...I'm back to answer for myself.

As for the part about "unsatisfactory":the1beauty, you made a statement about NPHC members, I gave my opinion, and you never acknowledged it. In fact, you responded with this:

Since this post came many posts after mine, I can only conclude that you didn't find the information you were looking for in it, since you said "Why couldn't anyone answer my questions about the problems with NPHC organizations?" Hence use of the word "unsatisfactory".

Oh, thanks. I don't think I gave what you posted much thought at the time because I was too consumed with what the other posts were saying. Sorry about that

I didn't want the "official" view...I've heard that before. But you can only tell what you know, and that's what you did.

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Originally posted by kddani
Also keep in mind that most people are not going to publicly discuss any perceived problems within their organization.

Why not? I thought that's what I've been doing here...If they don't address the problems, how do they fix them?

But my comment about NPHC organizations was just to make a point...I know all about them, came a smidge away from being apart of one. But I couldn't get over the fact that we didn't have any rite of passage...I hadn't even gone to many of their events, and I hate to tell you the reason they let me on line. But that's another story...