Too bad some of the women in MK do not have your perspective or strength to not fall prey to their director! I like your note about the gadzillions of recruits and ordering gadzillions of product - unfortunately, alot of women fall into that trap for a variety of reasons and yes, it is their decision, but in today's MK world, they are telling unsuspecting consultants that 3600 to 4200 orders are "profit-level" and Nationals are training directors to "sell inventory".

I felt it very important to get this out in the open so things like Enron don't happen and people can avoid the pitfalls. I do realize they happen in every business - I focus on MK and am here writing about it because it's an MK thread.

Seems like there are college members here and some naughty directors go after those who have the student loans. They teach to go after women with credit - so beware is all I want to say to anyone.

It CAN be fun to sell, etc., but moving up requires recruiting and staying there requires more. Just keep that in mind and do your homework about direct selling businesses before plunging into one of these.

The thing with Mary Kay - and every direct selling opportunity like Avon, etc.- is to remember why you wanted to start in the first place and stick to it.

An Arbonne rep wrote this on a MK forum regarding the "how much money can you really make in MK" question, and I think it hits it on the nail:

While that money is nothing to bawk at - my whole point is that they are "doing it faster" in MK whereby Nationals are becoming Nationals within 3 years of signing (unheard of in the old days when they actually encouraged classes and reruiting from them). Today, they push inventory. A story like this, successful as it seems, leaves me leary as to HOW she got what she got and I'd certainly like to know what her WHY was because sometimes, when we have large income and status as our goal - we find ourselves mowing over alot of women to get there, which is never success to me when you earn a living off commissions from what someone orders and does not sell and that is the case in too many cases.

I really don't know if Greekchat is the proper forum to crusade against Mary Kay. While I severely dislike companies like Mary Kay and Avon, I just don't know that this is the place to debate.

I have no problem with the crusade against it... although I think I draw the line at starting new threads with your anti-Mary Kay website as the topic.

PS I hope this becomes a thread rife with bitter, bitter controversy and name calling that has to be shut down.

THAT would be great. :)

Lol, what, don't we have enough of those for your taste? ;)

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Wow!

THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE WALMART!

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But what's worse? being around Walmart people or having to put up with the high pressure Mary Kay people? Tough call.

At least Walmart has express check out.

With Mary Kay, it sounds like the old Hotel California song...you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave!


By the way, am I the only one who thinks Mary Kay and Ashley Olson everytime they hear "Mary Kay?"

Ummm...its actually Mary KATE. . . . ;)

As a former Mary Kay consultant (and current Longaberger so I can get the discount), it is rather interesting how your Mary Kay 'friends' will completely ignore you if you return inventory! Oh well, guess they really weren't friends, huh?! Just my little vent.

Sarah

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I read, with interest, the comments about starting a MK thread and noticed the moderator started this thread and invited discussion.

My website is not ANTI-MK; it is an informative site which discusses and advises things current consultants need to be aware of and avoid. We do this by teaching about the business model, sharing like experiences and also offering discussion from both sides. The site also supports a current consultant group.

As I stated in my previous post, this thread was started by one of your moderators inviting discussion about experiences - so I am merely responding to her invitation and since this is a "college" site - I would think that readers appreciate information and disclosure of first hand experiences.

Changing the subject...

I tried Arbonne recently and I LOVE IT!!! Normally, I hate anything like this and I'm not the type to buy useless junk at Princess House and Party Lites gatherings, (the only reason I'm addicted to MK eyeshadows and eyeliners are because my college roommate turned me onto them years ago), but I'm hooked! I highly doubt I'll be doing any selling for them, though!!!! Any other Arbonne fans out there?

MK DOES have great eye shadows! That I do like.