Why would you ask for someone to show you where it says that in the bible, and then say where it is?

-Rudey

cause i got caught up in the moment... it might be other places, show me!!!


-a.e.B.O.T.

I don't understand what you want.

The reference is there, isn't it? Just answer yes or no to that question.

Either way, here is what a google search showed up:
http://www.ambs.edu/LJohns/Homosexuality.htm

Whether it's there once, twice, or two thousand times, it's there and even you admit it so I just don't understand what you're trying to say.

-Rudey

Interesting.

Excellent point!

I don't really think it matters to people if it is in their religious text. Some people find homosexuality wrong. And others do not. I don't think you can change a person opinion by bilical references and/or other religious texts. I really don't have a problem with it, but I try to be understanding of people that do.
This is usually a pretty sensitive issue especially for younger people who haven't matured enough to look beyond their personal thoughts to see the actual person.
Also I don't understand how people can say I don't have a problem with homesexuality as long as someone isn't hitting on me. Now I agree that it is difficult to be friends with someone that is sexually attracted to you, but usually if you turn someone down once, then that is the end of it. If someone is in the closet but still finds themselves attracted to people... it would make sense for them to find out if the other person feels the same.

I feel that I need to write. I was greek and gay. I know it is amazing, a gay guy that is greek! I hid who I was for a while. I had and still have brothers who have shunned me. Gay men, I know them, join GLO fro leadership, involvment, and parties. We do not join to meet girls for sex, for the most part, we do not want to have sex with our brothers. I know I knew mine too well. Sexuality is more than what is between our legs, it is emoitions and with whom we can connect with on a deep emoitional level, in short is emoitional intamacy, not all physical.

Edmund,

First, welcome to GreekChat.

I am curious about a couple of things, but please don't feel compelled to answer any question with which you are uneasy.

You say that you were Greek. Most of our organizations impress on us that we are members for life. Did you officially separate from your organization?

Would you be comfortable with sharing your age and any other information (college attended, etc.) you might feel of value to the discussion?

Finally, you say you felt "shunned" by some of your brothers (or former brothers). Did you feel accepted by others?

Again, not trying to put you on the spot, so feel free to ignore all of the questions if you aren't comfortable with them.

I agree, that is an excellent point. Thats when it is their personality and character are questionable, not who they date. Thats when my vote varies.

I am a 28, I prefer not to tell what university that was graduated, Well, I was graduated from UK, Go Cats, not in football. I was a Delt. I was shuned by my chapter for other things. I did not go along with the policy of drink until you drop of smoke 'em if yo have 'em. I know that we were told that we would be members for life, however, there are a few of those brothers that I would not want to ever see again. There are those that were on campus I do not want to see ever. There are those that I have mutal repesct and feel good to see. In my life, being Greek was not the end all be all of my life. It is a part of my past and to an extent my present, the future is yet to be seen.

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The point I want to make, is that I was shunned by my chapter due to the fact that I was "Diffrent". The diffrneces were that I was not attracted to girls, I was not into getting drunk or high everynight. I consider my greek affilation as a small part of my life. It was not the end all be all for me. I do not want some other gay guy or girl to go through the pain that I went through. I want to stree that Homosexuality is not catching, it is not the flu, you can not become gay just because you shared a glass with a gay guy.

Edmund,

Thanks for answering my questions, and for your comments as well.

As a Delt, we had the same initiation, and I am happy to call you brother and hope that isn't offensive to you.

I'm sorry you had problems in your chapter and can't say that you wouldn't have in other Delt or other fraternity chapters -- or elsewhere in life.

Perhaps in the future, that won't be true.

Best of luck to you.

Well...
 

I'd like to say it wouldn't matter, but I know for a fact it does. When I went through rush at my school homophobia abounded. In fact, I'm almost certain I didn't get a bid simply because I AM openly gay. That's when I started leading the charge for DLP and that's why I'm currently working to build a chapter: to give gay/bi men a chance to live the fraternity life.

Greek culture is one of the final bastions of traditional sex roles, and while that is changing, it isn't changing rapidly. I think this varies from campus to campus, and of course campuses in bigger cities are bound to have more tolerant Greek organizations. But by and large, as a gay man, I think homophobia does exist.

That doesn't mean it isn't coming to an end though. A lot of the posts I've seen in here have made me realize that the future is bright for gay and lesbian Greeks. :) :D

Which was most salient in your alienation, your being gay or your not getting drunk and high? A lot of people are "different" so I'm just trying to figure out where your sexuality became an issue with your brothers.