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ADPiZXalum 04-19-2005 03:42 PM

The person who said that IS catholic, maybe just not a very well informed one? I was really hoping that was not true because that is absolutely ridiculous. Thanks for the info!

PhiPsiRuss 04-19-2005 03:45 PM

Father Sarducci Was Robbed!!!
 
http://www.spradley.org/alfa-romeo/guido_sarducci.jpeg

It should have been Guido's time. :mad:

AlphaSigOU 04-19-2005 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 33girl
Here's another question re the Pope name list. Is "Blessed" like a step below being a saint? What's the difference? How do you get from one to the other?
Beatification is the first step toward canonization, or sainthood. When a person is beatified, they are henceforth known as "Blessed" (name). Example: Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta.

Normally, after a minimum of five years after a person's death can one be nominated for sainthood. A very thorough investigation ensues, though the reigining Pope can fast-track the process or name the person a saint outright.

citydogisu 04-19-2005 04:13 PM

is there any meaning behind choosing the name Benedict?

hoosier 04-19-2005 04:16 PM

"God's rotweiler" - ABC

The main stream media is already attacking the new Pope, because he is a conservative traditionalist. He's not likely to promote change in the Church's stands on abortion, divorce, etc., and this conflicts with the MSM's agenda.

RACooper 04-19-2005 04:34 PM

I was shocked to see no "Panzer Pope" titles thrown around...:p

citydogisu 04-19-2005 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosier
"God's rotweiler" - ABC
link? clip?

sugar and spice 04-19-2005 04:48 PM

Somebody let me know if it makes more sense to start a separate thread on discussions over the election, so that those of you who want to celebrate and not be bothered by arguments can have your own thread. ;)


Assuming the new pope stays true to his conservative roots, I worry about the route the church is taking. By selecting a conservative pope, the church is essentially sweeping a number of problems (condom use in Africa, the priest shortage, European Catholics becoming less and less religious, etc.) under the rug instead of addressing them. I think we're at the place where the church needs to work with its members (especially European ones) instead of against them, and a conservative pope will be less likely to do that. And in terms of relations with the rest of the world, popes in the near future will probably need to reach out to Muslim leaders the way John Paul II reached out to Jewish leaders.

Hopefully this new pope chose his name for a reason, and he does plan on working towards unification.

ZTABullwinkle 04-19-2005 04:52 PM

From what my friend was telling me (she was raised as a STRICT Catholic)...Pope John Paul II chose his name since Pope John Paul I died only 31 days after being elected. So it was sort of in honor of Pope John Paul I.

Honeykiss1974 04-19-2005 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
Somebody let me know if it makes more sense to start a separate thread on discussions over the election, so that those of you who want to celebrate and not be bothered by arguments can have your own thread. ;)

That probably wouldn't be a bad idea SnS.

chideltjen 04-19-2005 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ADPiZXalum
The person who said that IS catholic, maybe just not a very well informed one? I was really hoping that was not true because that is absolutely ridiculous. Thanks for the info!
I had heard that he wasn't going to be embalmed, but not for the "deity" reason. I can't remember. Saw it on CBS news or something.

*shrugs*

Taualumna 04-19-2005 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by AlphaSigOU


Cardinal Ratzinger selected Benedictus XVI (Benedict XVI), as he was ordained in the Order of St. Benedict (O.S.B.) - the Benedictine monks.

Are you sure? I thought I heard St. Augustine.

AGDee 04-20-2005 12:32 AM

I was under the impression that one of the "signs" that a person was a saint was that his/her body did not decompose at the same rate as others. The lack of decomposition can be seen as a miracle performed. Saint Bernadette comes to mind as one who did not show the level of decomposition that would be expected.

Dee

Peaches-n-Cream 04-20-2005 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AGDee
I was under the impression that one of the "signs" that a person was a saint was that his/her body did not decompose at the same rate as others. The lack of decomposition can be seen as a miracle performed. Saint Bernadette comes to mind as one who did not show the level of decomposition that would be expected.

Dee

I heard that also. I think that saints smell like flowers or flowers bloom when saints die.

citydogisu 04-20-2005 08:47 AM

From Beliefnet.com

What's in a Name?
Upon his election as pope, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger became Pope Benedict XVI. Read about his namesakes.
Benedict I (575-79)

Virtually nothing, including his birthdate, is known about the 62nd pope and the first to bear the name Benedict. A Roman and the son of Boniface, he was called Bonosus by the Greeks. He is said to have helped the country cope with a famine following the Lombard invasion. He was buried in the vestibule of the sacristy of the old Basilica of St. Peter.

(St.) Benedict II (684-85)

The 81st pope was a Roman. He was a student at the schola cantorum, where he excelled as a Bible scholar and singer. He secured an imperial decree that ended the imperial confirmation of popes. He is known to have adopted Emperor Constantine's two sons. He fought Monothelism, restored many of the churches of Rome, and endowed funds to minister to the poor. He was buried in St. Peter's.

Benedict III (855-58)

The 105th pontiff took office in tumultuous times. A Roman by birth, Benedict, son of Peter, was elected pope on the death of Pope Leo IV, but church intrigue resulted in his imprisonment for several months before he was released and consecrated.

Benedict IV (900-03)

The birthdate of the 118th pope, a Roman, is unknown. He was the first of six popes named Benedict (Benedict IV through IX) who reigned during the Dark Ages. Each reigned for a very brief time and virtually nothing—even the precise dates of their reigns—is historically verifiable. The historian Frodoard, a contemporary, praised him for his generosity and concern for the common weal and dubbed him "Great." He crowned Louis the Blind as emperor. He was buried in front of St. Peter's near the gate of Guido.

Benedict V (964)

The 133th pope was elected after the death of Pope John XII. In a matter of months, Emperor Otto I, who opposed his election, marched on Rome, took Benedict V prisoner, and ended his pontificate. The emperor then placed his own candidate, who adopted the name Leo VIII, in office, and took Benedict with him to Germany, where he remained against his will under the care of the Archbishop of Hamburg-Bremen, until his death.

Benedict VI (973-74)

Very little is known of the life and reign of the 135th pope, Benedict, Cardinal-Deacon of St. Theodore, a Roman and the son of Hildebrand. His pontificate came to a grisly end, when a group of nobles and clergy took him captive and imprisoned him at the Castle of Sant' Angelo. He was strangled there when his captors learned that an imperial envoy had been sent to Rome by Emperor Otto II to release him.

Benedict VII (974-83)

The 136th pope, born in Rome, was bishop of Sutri. After his election, the antipope, Boniface Franco, and his followers challenged his authority. Emperor Otto II supported him and ensured his papacy. As pope, Benedict VII attempted to suppress simony (the buying and selling of spiritual benefits), supported monasticism, and appointed the first archbishop of Carthage.

Benedict VIII (1012-24)

The 144th pope, Benedict VIII, son of Gregory, Count of Tusculum, was a layman who became the first of the Tusculan popes. He crowned the German king, Henry II, emperor in 1014. He helped pacify Italy by defeating the Saracens and forging an alliance with the Normans.

Benedict IX (1032-45)

The 146th pope was the Count of Tusculum and a nephew of the two preceding popes. He was placed on the throne by his father, Alberic, at the age of 20. In 1044, he was driven from office as unfit to rule. He managed to reinstate himself, but later resigned, only to try once again to take the papal throne. Emperor Henry III intervened and Clement II was made pope. After Clement's death, Benedict again seized the throne, but was forced out by Clement's successor, Damasus II.

Benedict X, antipope (1058)

Born John Minicus, he later became Cardinal Bishop of Velletri before being elected pope in 1058 by arrangement of the Count of Tusculum. He was ousted by cardinals backed by Hildebrand (later Pope Gregory VII), who succeeded in installing his candidate, Gerhard of Burgundy, Bishop of Florence, as Pope Nicholas II. Nicholas II excommunicated Benedict X and forced him to flee to the castle of Gerard of Galeria. After securing Rome, Nicholas II battled and defeated Benedict X and his supporters. Benedict X was imprisoned and died in the hospice of St. Agnese. In the aftermath of the controversy over Benedict X, the church implemented new rules governing papal elections.

(Blessed) Benedict XI (1303-04)

Nicholas, Boccasini, Benedict XI, a Dominican, was the 198th pope. He entered the Dominican order at 14. Known as a scholar and a conciliator in internecine church battles, he was beatified in 1773.

Benedict XII (1335-1342)

Born Jacques Fournier, in the province of Toulouse, he was the 197th pontiff and the third of the Avignon popes, who reigned in France. A Cistercian monk in the monastery of Boulbonne, and then in Fontfroide, he studied at the University of Paris, where he received a doctorate in theology. He hoped to re-establish the papacy in Rome, but the cardinals convinced him to remain in France because of Italy's political instability.

Benedict XIII (1724-30)

Born Pietro Francesco Orsini, the 246th pope was the son of Ferdinando Orsini and Giovanna Frangipani of Tolpha. He belonged to the princely family of Orsini-Gravina. At 16, he entered the Dominican novitiate against his family's will. In 1672, he was made a cardinal by Pope Clement X, a relative. Despite his privileged roots, he was considered a extremely pious leader and a strict enforcer of church doctrine. In honor of Benedict XI, a member of the Dominican Order, he took the name Benedict XIV (he avoided choosing the number 13, considered unlucky). However, he soon changed his name to Benedict XIII, because Peter de Luna of Aragon (1394-1423), an antipope, had previously taken the name Benedict XIV.

Benedict XIV (1740-58)

Born Prospero Lorenzo Lambertini, the 248th pope was the son of Marcello Lambertini and Lucretia Bulgarini, of Bologna. Benedict XIV is best known as a scholar.

Benedict XV (1914-22)

Giacomo della Chiesa, who became the 259th pope, was born in Pegli, Italy, in 1854, and died in Rome in 1922. He had served as nuncio to Spain, privy chamberlain, Archbishop of Bologna, and cardinal. Elected pope immediately after the outbreak of World War I, he remained neutral throughout the war, which coincided with his pontificate. He was considered a stark contrast to his predecessor, Pius X, who was staunchly opposed to theological "modernism."


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