FACTS (not HIS-story for Preciousjeni)
 

Dear Preciousjeni. Should you find time be sure to check out p. 71 "The Mulatto Problem" of The Destruction Of Black Civilization by Chancellor Williams.

"Since the first to be called Egyptians were half-African and half-Asian, their general hostility to their mothers' race was a social phenonmenon that should not be passed over lightly, even though that developement followed a universal pattern and, therefore, was not peculiar to the Egyptians. Its nature is essentially opportunist, a quest for security, recognition and advancement by identifying with and becoming a part of the new power elite of the conquerors." P.73, The Destruction Of Black Civilization by Chancellor Williams.

"The "master race," then, while loudly proclaiming a strange doctrine of "racial purity" for itself, has been the world's leader in BASTARDIZING other peoples." p. 74, The Destruction Of Black Civilization by Chancellor Williams.

Re: FACTS (not HIS-story for Preciousjeni)
 

He's an interesting read... two minor things I had issue with was the arguement that African society was contrary to European (well other than lumping all Afican societies together and all European societies together); I'd have argued for "different" and used more comparative examples from the Fertile Crescent - which brings me to the second issue: it is still up for debate where civilization first coalesed - the Nile Valley or the Fertile Crescent - it doesn't help that every couple of years some evidence arises to shift the arguement one way or another....

Other than the above the obvious "unease" or "discomfort" with some of his word choices, or his relating everything back to race and not society - problems I've had with alot of African scholarship from the 70s & 80s... umm for further interest I'd recommend any of the readings from the class I took on The History of Sub-Saharan Africa from the Abolition of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade to the Era of Structural Development... here's a link to the course website... most of the readings should be at listed (check the announcements section):
http://ccnet.utoronto.ca/20049/his396y1y/
Might not be your thing.... but it's where my knowledge comes from (well other than Eygptian history courses).

ooops forgot to mention that his other book: The Rebirth of African Civilization is also interesting food for thought

Re: FACTS (not His-story for Mr. Cooper too)
 

Dear Mr. Cooper. It has been PROVEN that AFRIKA is the CRADLE OF CIVILIZATION. Should you embrace the scholarship of Dr. Cheikh Anta Diop you shall surely learn of his TWO CRADLE THEORY. I must warn you, that you will need to be very cautious when obtaining such MEDICINE, because an individual of your likes and kind is very prone to OVERDOSING. Diop's medicine caused for him to be denied his Phd a number of times due to the systematic and typical AFRIKAN HISTORY REFUSALS of World-Wide AkkkADEMIA that prevail and KKKontrol institutions of LOWER LEARNING.

Re: Re: FACTS (not His-story for Mr. Cooper too)
 

If its a theory, than it has not been proven.

Also, the most recent, and credible research, with which I am familiar, is now raising the possibility that India had the earliest civilization.

Considering that Dr. Diop's theories are more than 30 years old, and that he has been dead for almost 20, I would not embrace them. Too much has been learned since then, and too much is still unknown.

Also, using a coined word like "AkkkADEMIA" is both demagogic and anti-intellectual.

Re: Re: FACTS (not HIS-story for Preciousjeni)
 

slight hijack - This is a particularly interesting debate for me! I'm glad you brought it up. /slight hijack

Re: Re: Re: FACTS (not HIS-story for Preciousjeni)
 

Well the first major hurdle is agreeing on what constitutes "civilization" - so then you can look for markers or traces that can be attributed to that definition of "civilization". Scholars used to argue that "civilization" begins with historical records (writing, pictograms, hieroglyphs, etc)... but then that obviously excludes cultures that a) never developed a method of material recording (say cultures with extensive oral traditions), or b) we have no evidence of a method of material recording. Now most scholarly research is devoted towards the analysis and interpretation of faunal, floral, remains and artefacts - and how these can show evidence of an organized social group.... of which there are four major groupings:
Mobile Hunter-Gatherer Groups (sometimes called "bands")
Segmentary Society (sometimes called "tribes")
Chiefdom
State

Now personally I believe "civilization" begins when society makes the transition from the "tribal" grouping to a "chiefdom" because of the social-cultural structures that must be developed when more than one "tribal" group is interacting.... but that's my opinion; many per-historic archaeologists will argue that "civilization" begins when society expands to encompass more than a family or clan group (ie. the Mobile Hunter-Gather Groups).

However as you can imagine there is some debate behind the definition of “civilization” as the political and cultural connections associated with claiming ownership of the past are pretty intense…

Re: Re: FACTS (not His-story for Mr. Cooper too)
 

Ahem... it's been more or less proven that Africa is the craddle of Humanity (ie. the origin of the genus Homo) however it has not been proven as the craddle of civlization, but named as one of the three possible sites - the Nile Valley, the Fertile Crescent, and the Indus Valley.

While Dr. Diop's work in establishing the conections and interactions between Ancient Egypt and the rest of Africa was groundbreaking, unfortunately the work is now somewhat dated in light of modern scholarship and methods (ie. we have technology for dating and analysis available he didn't) - however he is still a base reference work, just not a primary work any more.

Re: Set Theory for PhiPsiRuss.
 

Dear PhiPsiRuss, with regards to your stating the merit of a theory being of proof I beg to differ. Can 1+1 be proven to equal 2 or is such a derivative of simple arithmetic? Should you be familiar with Set Theory you might understand such a question. Also, it is widely accepted via today's academic dogma to be ACCEPTABLE (not proven though) that should any test and research method measure <0.05 it is to be considered flawed and NOT w/merit of validity. The opposite applies and a measurement >0.05 is considered VALID (w/or w/out PROOF). Subjective viewpoints are for those who embrace the THEORIES of the presenter. History is w/out AGE and has no beginning nor ending.

Been a while since I looked back at this thread, and "interesting" discussion... but now that I have I felt that this message deserved more of a response than it got (at least publically).. so here goes

Hmmm... so I was the benifactor of the slave trade? Which slave trade? Do you mean the trans-Atlantic slave trade to Canada? hmmm... nope slavery has always been illegal here - and I guess the whole family being involved in the Underground Railroad thing was just a different way to benifit from salvery...

Or do you mean in general because "white" people were the only participants or benifactors of the tans-Atlantic slave trade? But then that would be ignoring the fact that many African kingdoms practiced slavery before and after the coming of the "white" man. The slave trade was not as I'm sure you're apt to believe simply a matter of "black" vs "white" or "European" vs "African"... the dynamic was much more involved and complicated. Oh finally this might come as a shock to you but "white" people have been victims of slavery as well... but generally not since the fall of Rome - unless your broad definition of slavery includes indentured servitude or serfdom.

Finally I guess I developed my "humorous" belief in the equality and dignity of all peoples by being educated, open minded, and above all intelligent...



Actually I do ascribe to the work of Darwin, a profoundly intelligent and educated man - to whom the modern world owes a great deal. However I simply don't understand how you can consider him barbaric or parasitic, considering his aggitation for the abolishment of slavery... perhaps you'd care to explain - but first consider the following quote:

"I have watched how steadily the general feeling, as shown at elections, has been rising against Slavery. What a proud thing for England, if she is the first European nation which utterly abolish is it. I was told before leaving England, that after living in slave countries: all my options would be altered; the only alteration I am aware of is forming a much higher estimate of the Negros character. It is impossible to see a negro & not feel kindly toward him; such cheerful, open honest expressions & such fine muscular bodies; I never saw any of the diminutive Portuguese with their murderous countenances, without almost wishing for Brazil to follow the example of Haiti; & considering the enormous healthy looking black population, it will be wonderful if at some future day it does not take place." -- Charles Darwin to Catherine Darwin (May 22 - July 14 1833) The Correspondence of Charles Darwin Vol. 1 1821-1836 (1985), pp. 312-313




Yes I have "black" friends... and in the past girlfriends...

I never ever believed for a second that I would be friends with you - I can't stand the company of racists or bigots... in fact I fully view you as the enemy as well, someone whose foul beliefs and hate that is poison to a community. :mad:



Wow... eugenics? Your not honestly serious are you?

Though I do find it interesting that you coupled it with an understanding of "race relations"... I hope you do realize that this is the same crap that Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf... which nicely tranistions into your admission of being a racist - not that anyone who reads your views has much of a doubt about that :rolleyes:

If you ever care to have a scholarly "exchange" I'm sure I can suggest some fine counselling resources for you...



Nice... I have to wonder how much damage your mission has done - your hate and ignorance may be an anchor holding back these boys from becoming great men...

Finally not date "my" girls... ummm I think that'd be up to the girls not you or me.

It is all well and good that you are grooming your son to be an "Alphaman"... but as long as you pass on your beliefs about race, you will be doing nothing more than condeming to see the world through hateful eyes. I'm at a loss to understand why you proudly hold to ignorant racist beliefs, beliefs that many Alpha Phi Alpha men fought and died to destroy... men like Martin Luther King - those are the "Alphamen" that I respect, not you.

RACOOPER'S HIS-Storical Treatment Plan. cont'd
 

Hotep Brothers. Mr. Cooper, I have embraced your mental disorder and as you and I are both fully aware there exists a consent form that I am going to forward you in the near future. Your fetish and symptoms have shown you as suffering from an clear case of AkkkUTE INFLICTED WARPED HISTORICAL ANALYSIS (AIWHA) Axis-2KY to be a part of your CULTURAL/PSYCHOPHISIOLOGICAL PATHOLOGY traits of which you continue to exhibit due to your CULTURAL/PSYCHOPHISIOLOGICAL DYSFUNCTION. Have you kept your PSYCHOPHARM APPOINTMENTS? I do forsee an immediate change in your morning(a.m) meds, because you obviously have been "cheeking" your lithium, depakote, and concerta. Consequently, your dosage is hereby increased effective immediately to 1906 Mg. Make sure you forward me your correct billing address along with your medicaid card and HMO information (if current). Thank you.:mad:

Well visited your website again... nice to see you fact check your "facts"... case in point your current introduction page where you have the following tidbit of info:

To bad you didn't check any of the urban legend websites or consult an dictionary that includes etymology because then you might have discovered that picnic is derived from a French term...

Some helpful links for you:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dyn....html%23picnic
-or-
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blpicnic.htm

Please at least make an effort to learn from the words of your Brother Martin Luther King:
"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."


So now looking at your site lets list who and what you "bash":
Whites
Koreans
Jews
Christians
Catholics (you single us out)
Feminists
Bill Cosby
non-suberviant "Black Women"
"Black" women who don't "look" like you want them too
Homosexuals
Historians & Archaeologists (you have to hate them to post some of the crap you do)

Re: Client billing for Mr. Cooper.
 

Hotep Brothers. Dear Mr. Cooper, GOOD NEWS! You can forward my billing fee of $1906 toward THE MLK MEMORIAL PROJECT. Should you have any strange feelings deemed worthy of therapeutic intervention I will only handle an emergency case. Do not worry, because since you are a habitual "KKKutter" I will consider you to be a primary concern of mine. OK? Remember, NO sharp objects (ie plastic/metal tableware of forks, knives, spoons etc.) I suggest you embrace your natural ways and tendency and use your hands and feet as your ancestors once did. I have included such a recommendation in your Individual Treatment Plan and will have it presented at your next KKKlinical staffing. Please be sure to sign off on your treatment plan. Just make sure your hands are clean of your you-know-what. I like my paperwork CLEAN. Ok?:cool:

Re: Re: Client billing for Mr. Cooper.
 

Sorry but I only contribute to worthy causes... such as the Black History Fund up here... or the MLK fund... and if I do I tend to give more than $19.06 (though your repeated references to your GLO founding is 'quaint').

OOOOhhhh... guess I've been put in my place, a counter charge of racism (or in your case racial supremacy)... gee, haven't hear that one before from anyone or group that I've fought against :rolleyes:. Hmmm... perhaps you'd like to attack my ancestory or ethnic backgorund too - tended to be the MO of the hatemongers in the past... after all this might save some time.

Though PHAShriner/1906 I have some great news for you... your website (and you) have been added to the CICS Terrorist and Hate Watch List (and unfortunately tied into Alpha Phi Alpha becasue of your own linking of the two - I protested that part... oh well APhiA will be removed shortly once an investigation shows only a perihpiral connection between your twisted beliefs and APhiA's - I hope)... I suppose congrats are in order... it takes quite alot to do that; afterall Hamas fundraising groups took close to a decade to be firmly lumped into that group...

Finally your reference/thinly veiled challenge in the other thread about Wanya Morris is heartily accepted... believe you me it wouldn't be the first time - because if the neo-nazi Croats with rifle and guns didn't cause me to back down, what chance does a delude moron living in Chicago have? Although on a side note I hope you do realize I can't be a "kluxer" as I'm Catholic - so 3rd degree you say? Interesting... it'd be a blast kicking your bigoted ass into the pavement; unless you'd prefer something more sporting, another style perhaps - say sabres? knives? bo-sticks? how about flintlocks? (always bothered me dueling went out of style), perhaps we could meet under the rules of Knedo? or maybe Capoeria? (though the irony might be lost on you), perhaps Krav Maga? oh oh I know how about a debate - course that'd really kill you... but of course any of these that lead to your inevitable defeat would just play into your paranoia at that point....

Hey I gotta a question: do you use your karate on your wife to enforce her submission to her master? How about your son? Is that where you got the practice for your belt?

Manic/Mental Crisis Showing.
 

Hotep Brothers. Please take notice of the symptoms of the above stated schizo rant that has been posted by RACooper, for he is clearly exhibiting PSYCHOTIC DISORDER traits. The aforementioned MENTAL CASE STUDY (RACooper) is showing a PHALIC INFERIORITY CULTURE-BOUND SYNDROME. :cool:

PHA,
I took a look at your website and was surprised to see what seems to be such a one sex takes the blame viewpoint. The problem as I see it is that, historically and even today, Black men and women have not worked as a team to raise our children with balance. If see things from that perspective, you will see that it *can't* be all a woman's fault, because, even if she was too far on the, say left, that man should have been there to balance some of that out. The problem is not Black women, the problem is the breakdown of the family structure, which happened a long time ago and the damaging effects in contemporary times were seen as early as the 20's when Black women were raising children as single mothers - even if those days - yes, those days. Until we raise our boys to see men while growing up (true men) and be men when grown and stop making them into momma's boys and bailing out our "babies" everytime they get in trouble and letting them stay in our basements until they are 30 years old, and not demanding that they treat that woman that they are seeing with respect, they will continue to not contribute to the family structure - and it is not a Black woman's fault solely - it is the Black man's fault also for not being in the home and/or not being a presence in the life of that boy. The same happens with girls - girls need men in their lives, just like boys do. Therefore, the blame should not lie with black women, it is simply a breakdown of the family structure. And until people get this idea out of their heads that single motherhood is just as good as having a balanced, healthy male-female family, it is going to continue...b/c a woman can't provide everything ...for a boy, nor for a girl. It takes a balance that only having lived as a man and having lived as a woman can provide.

As for Feminism messing up the family, the family was messed up before that. In fact, some of us went to Feminism b/c we were tired of being relegated to the back of the room whenever there was a Black pride/movement/Civil Rights meeting. This has been the fate of Black women - shut up and support your man to show racial solidarity, even when we are treated unfairly w/in our own race and relegated to a second-class position. It's just like the Anita Hill thing. Everybody was all up in arms when she told on that fool Clarence Thomas. Why? B/c here was a Black woman who (there is this unspoken rule) is supposed to keep quiet, even to her *own* detriment to support the Black man - yet, this fool was out there and if we would have bothered to listen to her, then maybe that we wouldn't have that idiot now - the same fool who refuses to write an opinion of his *own* most times when almost all Supreme Court Justices put in their own two cents in most cases. So the Feminist movement is not what hurt Black women - again, we need balance between Black men and women - that's the problem.



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