Even *IF* the SSN was true (which I am sure it is not), do Foreign Students have SSN numbers?

And yeah, what Lady Pi Phi said. You can only ask for someone's SIN upon offer of a job (that's what the gov't uses for taxation purposes).

At UHM, foreign students were issued temporary numbers: 999-##-#### for the duration of their time on campus, and that was how we searched for them in the database instead of SSNs.

It's not just a job. University/college applications ask for SINs too, and I assume that it is for tax purposes.

Maybe if you're on a (Government Paid) Student Loan. I just filled in an application last week (I'm going back to school in January) and that field was OPTIONAL.

But because the field is there, it doesn't stop people from filling it in. You just have a choice and can fill it in if you want to. We are talking about other situations when you're not supposed to fill it in.

What are you taking in school?

I was doing research for domestic abuse and I read an interview with a women who saw her dad try to kill her mom. The girl went to lots of trouble to change her identity to escape the abusive family life. I can understand her reasoning. I dont know if she was in a sorority but she changed colleges and moved accross the country. She had a reason. If there was a sorority involved i could not blame someone in that situation. I know that it is against the rules but If someone is doing to escape an abusive situation then i can completely understand.

Nothing is really right in this situation, but reality is that things like this happen. In this case i guess you could say that there was some type of psychological problems, but as i see it a girl escaping an abusive situation is doing something that is good for herself.

um, yeah, no kidding, that's why i said if they changed their identity TO RUSH.

I actually had a sister who had an abusive ex boyfriend and she had to change a lot of her identity to escape him :(

Please except my apologies. I know what you said This subject is just to close to me. I came from an abusive family and I just getting going.

I have heard girls doing some crazy things to get into a "GOOD" sorority. In washington girls will go to wsu and rush and if they dont get into a "good" sorority then they drop out of school (its a semester school where UW is quarter) and then go to the university of washington to try to get into a better sorority, okay so its a rumor that i have heard.

I find it interesting what girls will do to get into a sorority, and yes you are right to change name and SS# just to rerush then they do have problems.

I feel bad for women who aren't too sure about joining the chapter and still go ahead with Initiation. I know as recently as last semester we had a womn initiate who wasn't extremely active during her pledge period and she seemed unsure so we talked to her and wanted to make sure it was for her and she was positive with her decision. She assured us she was, and then a semester later she resigned. :( It just makes me really sad.

Why? College-age women are just that -- WOMEN. They have no one to blame except themselves if they refuse to accept responsibility for their own actions. If they get initiated, they made a decision to get initiated. If they have doubts, they should resolve them before initiation. That is one purpose of the New Member period. I am not sad if someone becomes a member of a GLO and then quits. It's better to have someone that doesn't care resign (if that is what makes them happy) than to have them stick around in name only and hating it.

MissOh2Cute has a point. Sometimes, these young women can be simply overwhelmed with this being their first experience away from home, and don't initially adjust as well as some others may. Most new member periods only last 6-8 weeks, and for some that is long enough to KNOW that you want to be initiated... for others it isn't.

Some girls are unsure and initiate anyway, because they feel that they would rather take a chance at sisterhood with a particular group than to drop out and not have anything at all. Some of these ambivalent women adjust, make the best of their situations, and eventually become stellar sorority members... others don't, and they remain unhappy. When that happens, they either deactivate, or remain in the sorority until graduation, still preferring what they DO have to not having anything at all....sadly.

I've seen it happen in all organizations on my campus and I do sympathize with these women... although they are WOMEN, when they get to college and rush they are usually somewhat naive, still in their late teens! Think of all the growing and changing we all do in the four years between entering and graduating from college.

I bet the reason this poster is AWOL is because she feels like she's been attacked. Not everyone who posts these kinds of threads has ulterior motives, and she was probably genuinely hoping that someone would understand her situation and reach out to her. How do we know it wasn't a GC regular (under a different name) in a crisis we aren't aware of?

*Edited to add:
There are others who have already stated their opinions on this thread who WILL disagree with me, but I feel that college *is* and *should be* a social experience and a wonderful time of growth, and if this girl feels that she cannot be happy without being in a greek org with a sufficient social outlet... where's the harm in transferring schools? Some people think it's tacky, but it's NOT like she's pledging at a smaller school with the sole intentions of transferring to a larger and more elite chapter that she never would've gotten into in the first place!

All chapters are different, and if it will make her happy to find a school with her sorority AND continue on with her program of study, there is nothing wrong with that! Those of us that look back fondly on our collegiate years should wish the same for others!

Have you read the entire thread? Have you read her other thread? She changed her story several times, making them totally different things. She also, despite the posts you probably disagree with, had some very heartfelt advice.

A lot of people who've been around GC are VERY cautious of these kind of posters. They make a post or two then disappear. Another reason, the story doesn't add up- in fact, she changed it! In one thread she said she decided it wasn't for her, in another she says she was "forced" to initiate. Just about anyone, with a few very rare exceptions, is 18 or older when they pledge and intiate into a sorority. I'm sick of people letting college-age kids get away with crap just because they're "young."

What a problem in society this has turned into- letting people get away with not taking responsibility for their own actions and choices. It's one thing to make a mistake, but you have to admit that you made it. Once you don't, and start throwing blame elsewhere, you become a glistening example of our society's love of not taking any responsibility for your own actions.

18 is old enough to vote, old enough to enter into legally binding transactions on your own, old enough to die for your country. And it's old enough to be a man or a woman and take responsibility for your choices and actions. So don't blame it on being young.

I'm not sure why you're worried about it - a pledge period is a time when someone should decide for themselves whether they want to affiliate or not. If at the end of the time someone affiliates and has second thoughts about it later, that's their own issue. At some point you have to take responsibility for your actions. You can't go through life making decisions haphazardly (new jobs, new homes, etc.) and then deciding that it's not the choice for you.

But that's not really "forcing" - other people telling you to do something is peer pressure. :) Glad that you can see that the story doesn't add up though. Being naive doesn't get anyone very far, and especially on an internet message board, you have to be skeptical!