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DSTCHAOS 06-06-2007 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1461909)
http://www.snopes.com/college/admin/wait.asp

I suspect they just wanted you to show up.
LOL. I advise people to NOT follow snopes' documentation of waiting times based on ranking. It will fail almost everytime. Most instructors don't care about ranking differences when it comes to students. We are at a higher ranking/power differential than undergrads and that's all that matters.

sidebar:
I had an undergrad professor who was late right before a big exam. We waited a while and left. He punished us by first chastising us via email, then at the next class session, and finally refusing to give us an exam review. Some professors will show up late and keep you extra long to make up for their lateness. Students really aren't REQUIRED to stay past the class time. However, I understand how students who don't have another class to attend or work, are afraid to walk out and potentially get penalized. That's bad ethics to try to bully your students and not ASK them if they are able to stay an extra 20 minutes to finish up material.

KAPital PHINUst 06-06-2007 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 1461753)
I pledged and I graduated from Central State University. Across the street from Wilberforce University. CSU was so unorganized that most of the upper classman including me had to stay in hotels. I liked it though, because we had cable, air, and cleaning services.:D
What's up, Nupe? I was a student at Central State for one quarter (Fall '94). Yes, I remember that CSU was very unorganized, and when I had my books stolen, a student body mentality that really didn't promote academics over socializing, AND the fact that I had a 4.0 accum and they weren't gonna give me no scholarship(s), I had to bounce.

I remember the students having to live in hotels in nearby Springfield; I even remember visiting some of the students at the hotels back in '96 (btw, this was because they condemned 5 of the 9 dormitories on campus--the freshmen and upperclass male dorms, the jock dorm, and the nerd dorm).

But fortunately, this didn't sour my perception of HBCUs as a whole; I just realized that I attended a poorly ran HBCU at a bad time.

DSTCHAOS 06-06-2007 09:13 AM
LOL.

KAPital PHINUst 06-06-2007 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1461942)

sidebar:
I had an undergrad professor who was late right before a big exam. We waited a while and left. He punished us by first chastising us via email, then at the next class session, and finally refusing to give us an exam review. Some professors will show up late and keep you extra long to make up for their lateness. Students really aren't REQUIRED to stay past the class time. However, I understand how students who don't have another class to attend or work, are afraid to walk out and potentially get penalized. That's bad ethics to try to bully your students and not ASK them if they are able to stay an extra 20 minutes to finish up material.
I would recommend this for students who had several cancelled classes by any one professor (especially if you are paying tuition out of pocket).

Ask for a prorated tuition refund for each class session(s) that had to be cancelled by the professor. Why are you paying your hard earned $$ for a professor to NOT show up? That doesn't make sense.

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread....

Infamous12 06-06-2007 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1461948)
I would recommend this for students who had several cancelled classes by any one professor (especially if you are paying tuition out of pocket).

Ask for a prorated tuition refund for each class session(s) that had to be cancelled by the professor. Why are you paying your hard earned $$ for a professor to NOT show up? That doesn't make sense.

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread....
*wish I would've thought of that*

DSTCHAOS 06-06-2007 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Infamous12 (Post 1461951)
*wish I would've thought of that*

It won't work at every institution. :)

KAPital PHINUst 06-06-2007 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1461954)
It won't work at every institution. :)
Twist the right person's arm hard enough and long enough, and trust, it'll work at any institution.

If all else fails, bring in the heavy reinforcements:

THE NEWS MEDIA

(after all, colleges are businesses too, you want everyone to know you are getting ripped off, don't you?) ;)

DSTCHAOS 06-06-2007 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1461957)
Twist the right person's arm hard enough and long enough, and trust, it'll work at any institution.

If all else fails, bring in the heavy reinforcements:

THE NEWS MEDIA

(after all, colleges are businesses too, you want everyone to know you are getting ripped off, don't you?) ;)
Like I said, it won't work at every institution.

UNTIL you jump through those hoops (you said "ask for" like it was that simple). And it still might not work after all of that.

Which is why most students won't ever think of that or won't have the desire to go through with it. Just like why people in the working world often don't complain about unfair practices and being ripped off or discriminated against. Too much intentional bureaucratic red tape. Universities and other businesses do that on purpose and know that people won't jump through those hoops due to time or lack of patience. That's why schools make tons of money off of unreasonable tuition and fee expenses every semester.

Missam05 06-06-2007 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Nubian (Post 60264)
I attend a Historically Black College in Texas, recently I caught up with some of my former high school classmates and we did the usual catching up, "Where do you go to school", "Are you seeing anyone" yadda, yadda.

Well, when I mentioned what school I attend one of the girls said, and I quote "oooh no I couldn't go there girl, too many Black people(yes she is African-American) I don't know how you put up with it" Needless to say I had a few choice words for her.
First of all I am very proud of my school and this young lady(and I use the term loosely) http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/rolleyes.gif made it seem like I am settling for less. I was recruited and offered scholarships by "Ivy League" schools but I chose the one I did because I felt I would be more than a number to the faculty. While I don't feel I should have to justify my decision to her or anyone else, it still angered me that she thought she was recieveing a higher quality education just because her school is predominantly white. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/frown.gif

Has anyone else out there ever dealt with this type of ignorance?

Luv,
Me
Always. As if an HBCU is less than any other school. I've learned to ignore their ignorance. I have what they have (quality education, good paying job, memorable experiences, etc.) and that's all that matters.

Drolefille 06-06-2007 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1461942)
LOL. I advise people to NOT follow snopes' documentation of waiting times based on ranking. It will fail almost everytime. Most instructors don't care about ranking differences when it comes to students. We are at a higher ranking/power differential than undergrads and that's all that matters.

sidebar:
I had an undergrad professor who was late right before a big exam. We waited a while and left. He punished us by first chastising us via email, then at the next class session, and finally refusing to give us an exam review. Some professors will show up late and keep you extra long to make up for their lateness. Students really aren't REQUIRED to stay past the class time. However, I understand how students who don't have another class to attend or work, are afraid to walk out and potentially get penalized. That's bad ethics to try to bully your students and not ASK them if they are able to stay an extra 20 minutes to finish up material.
Oh yeah, I wouldn't encourage it either. I think it's unfortunate that most teachers don't address what to do if THEY are the late ones in their syllabuses. Most people in my classes can't stay late, and if they drive from 45 miles away only to have a teacher not show up, they're way more pissed than the people in town.
I've always given the 15 minutes (although I know plenty of people who try to follow the rankings and stay a shorter period of time) and it's always been for a good reason, but I hate to see bad teachers abuse a class for it.

christiangirl 06-06-2007 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst (Post 1461957)
Twist the right person's arm hard enough and long enough, and trust, it'll work at any institution.

If all else fails, bring in the heavy reinforcements:

THE NEWS MEDIA

(after all, colleges are businesses too, you want everyone to know you are getting ripped off, don't you?) ;)
Forget the media...I'd call my daddy. We may not lilke each other, but he'll be there if there's a good fight involved. Most people have big momma tell administration about themselves, but Mommy CG is too nice. All my refunds seemed to straighten out within 24 hours after a call from my daddy. ;)


For real, I see what you mean. I think the administration scared the students into never calling the media, saying we didn't want to be responsible for more negative black images on the news, did we? So, we used to call the campus news station to cover our student protests and we were always able to work out some sort of deal when the cameras were there. However, as of last month, we no longer have a campus television network for "lack of funding." :mad: :mad: :mad: Should've seen that one coming, man...it was only a matter of time.

AKADIVA12 06-06-2007 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1459414)
This takes me back to the day went I when I first took my daughter to Howard. I scheduled myself stay the week at the Howard Inn next to the school. You HU alumni/ae know how long ago that must have been - LOL.

The first day was orientation and getting settled in her dorm room. She, a high school friend of mine whose son was starting there, too, did the obligatory rent the mini-fridge, by bedding and accessories from JC Penny, get cleaning materials, get a fan since there was no AC, etc.

The next day was registration. My daughter was like okay Mom I can handle this you should not have planned to stay so long. When i told her I wasn't leaving early she became a little disgruntled. And the fact that the dorm room looked like crap didn't help her mood.

Well we go to the Admissions Office to make sure all the money is paid so she can register for classes. We stand in a long line and the whole time she is like rolling her eyes with the attitude I can't believe I am here with my Mom--I'm not a child anymore. We finally get to the desk and lo and behold they had no record of my tuition payment--the dorm room payment, yes, the tuition, no. So we were sent over to another line. I am getting p***ed and she is getting scared. We are standing in line and I know I had THE LOOK on my face.

Suddenly a woman came up to us and said come with me and took us out of the line. She said I noticed your Delta necklace. I am a soror, how can I help you? I told her the problem, she searched found the info all in the matter of a few minutes. She then hugged me and told me if we needed anything else just ask for her.

Well, because of the delay, by the time she got to the front of the registration line which had wound around the campus, most of her classes were filled. I went back to the soror in Admissions, she connected me to the then Interim Dean of the School of Communications who was also a soror. Daughter got her classes.

Needless to say she was estactic to have me there the rest of the week. LOL

Hmmmm, I guess this really is more than just about registration at a HBCU. It probably also belongs in the 1913 thread, huh?
Okay I'm having flashbacks. The Howard University Inn, Dr. Merritt was the Dean of the School of C (as we called it then). Take me back to the early
90s. LOL.

I attended Howard as a grad student, and couldn't understand how students whose tuition was not paid up to date could continue to attend classes. After their tuition was paid they were "validated" and could receive credit for the class. I had come from a PWI and had never seend anything like it.

If I had it to do over again, I probably would have switched the order, HBCU for undergrad, PWI for grad. While I got some of the HBCU experience there was so much more to experience.

orighu 06-06-2007 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1459414)
This takes me back to the day went I when I first took my daughter to Howard. I scheduled myself stay the week at the Howard Inn next to the school. You HU alumni/ae know how long ago that must have been - LOL.

The first day was orientation and getting settled in her dorm room. She, a high school friend of mine whose son was starting there, too, did the obligatory rent the mini-fridge, by bedding and accessories from JC Penny, get cleaning materials, get a fan since there was no AC, etc.

The next day was registration. My daughter was like okay Mom I can handle this you should not have planned to stay so long. When i told her I wasn't leaving early she became a little disgruntled. And the fact that the dorm room looked like crap didn't help her mood.

Well we go to the Admissions Office to make sure all the money is paid so she can register for classes. We stand in a long line and the whole time she is like rolling her eyes with the attitude I can't believe I am here with my Mom--I'm not a child anymore. We finally get to the desk and lo and behold they had no record of my tuition payment--the dorm room payment, yes, the tuition, no. So we were sent over to another line. I am getting p***ed and she is getting scared. We are standing in line and I know I had THE LOOK on my face.

Suddenly a woman came up to us and said come with me and took us out of the line. She said I noticed your Delta necklace. I am a soror, how can I help you? I told her the problem, she searched found the info all in the matter of a few minutes. She then hugged me and told me if we needed anything else just ask for her.

Well, because of the delay, by the time she got to the front of the registration line which had wound around the campus, most of her classes were filled. I went back to the soror in Admissions, she connected me to the then Interim Dean of the School of Communications who was also a soror. Daughter got her classes.

Needless to say she was estactic to have me there the rest of the week. LOL

Hmmmm, I guess this really is more than just about registration at a HBCU. It probably also belongs in the 1913 thread, huh?

Ah the good ole HU days..... yeah, I remember those days fondly - but i learned alot during those days at registration - patience, negotiating, patience, networking, did i say patience :D

RitaMae1908 06-06-2007 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Live_Wire17 (Post 1459377)
YUP! Jags baby!!
I'm so glad.. I went to Southern U...da dun da dun da dun da.. I'm so glad.. I went to Southern U...:D


On a more serious note...
I also was accepted to and offered scholarships to several PWI but decided to attend an HBCU. Both my parents are products of HBCUs so I figured if it was good enough for them, why not me? They're both successful and highly respected in their professions. I would not trade my HBCU education or my experiences during my matriculation there for anything, they ultimately made me the woman I am today. I can not say that I would have turned out the same had I chosen to go to a PWI. And contrary to popular belief I was able to find a job soon after graduating!

ladygreek 06-06-2007 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by AKADIVA12 (Post 1462330)
Okay I'm having flashbacks. The Howard University Inn, Dr. Merritt was the Dean of the School of C (as we called it then). Take me back to the early
90s. LOL.
I was talking about Janette Dates. Maybe she was the assistant dean and not interim at the time. But I do know at some point she became interim and is now the dean of the School of C.

My daughter started off in journalism, but the School added advertising her sophomore year, so that is what she majored in.


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