Thank you, that's EXACTLY what I thought. What the frack was he supposed to do - say "sorry kids, I gotta go because we are under attack"? Like Hitchens said in the article (thanks for the link by the way), if he had done that, he would be accused of acting rashly and rushing to get the war machine primed. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Nixon went through the same crap.

Oh, and as far as the election goes, I just need to state that the Democratic party didn't seem to have a prob with Joe Kennedy's use of mafia connections to put his baby boy in office. What comes around, goes around.

That was just a different day as far as the Presidency is concerned. The press actually knew about his affair with Monroe but didn't report it. Could you even imagine that being the case these days?

I haven't seen the movie. Does it show Mayor Rudy Giuliani? I have seen videotape of him walking around downtown New York with his staff trying to get a handle on everything that was happening. He was very brave in the face of terror.

I had already seen the tape of the President reading to the children. I agree with Munchkin that it was appropriate. I'm more disturbed by information that came out about the FAA during the 9/11 hearings.

I don't know if 9/11 could have been prevented or not, but I do know that a lot of key officials ignored intelligence pertaining to 9/11, Bin Laden, and terrorism.

Actually, it made more than any other documentary, not any film. I'm not sure if it broke an opening box office record.

No, he is not mentioned.

Hey folks, for the most part this conversation has stayed pretty reasonable, but please be kind to one another. If this degenerates into political bashing, I'll lock it down. This is the Entertainment forum, and we should be discussing the film, not exchanging political blows without reference to the Moore film.

Back to your regularly scheduled racous debate.

Thanks Leslie. How can someone make a documentary about 9/11 and not show Mayor Giuliani?!

DZHBrown, I think that the only ones who could have stopped the attacks were the FAA and airport security. I do know that airport security stopped one of the terrorist.

Anyway, I haven't seen the movie so I shouldn't speculate.

I thought NPR reported this morning that, for this past weekend, it made more than any film, period.

Is that not correct?

Not that I particularly care, but that would be fairly unusual for a "documentary" I would think.

Because it's not a documentary and it's not about 9/11.

-Rudey

I believe it was #2 and Dodgeball was #1. Har.

I saw Dodgeball again. The first time I thought it was funny but not amazing. The second time I definitely liked it more. This is a good movie.

-Rudey

that is what i read this morning. for the weekend, it was the top film at the box office.

Just speculating but, the film is about what was done poorly between Bush's election through 9/11 to the current war. It wasn't really about 9/11, and MM doesn't show much footage from post-9/11 NY anyway, so there was no need to show Mayor Guiliani.

From E-Online:
This is not only the best opening ever for a documentary, it's already the most money ever taken in by a documentary ever, beating Moore's anti-gun Bowling for Columbine, which has taken in $21.5 million since opening in October 2002.

NPR could be right, but I don't think so.

Dodgeball fell to 3rd behind Farenheit 9-11 (#1) and White Chicks (#2).

It's not a documentary -- at least according to the definition given on dictionary.com

doc·u·men·ta·ry
adj.
Consisting of, concerning, or based on documents.
Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film.

n. pl. doc·u·men·ta·ries
A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration.

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It's more like this:

prop·a·gan·da ( P )
n.
The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.

I don't think many people disagree with that.

it is called a documentary because that is the style or format that is used in the movie. Even a propaganda film (and MM says "this is my opinion") is called a documentary.

Time for a new word perhaps....propumentary ...docuganda?