Yeah it'd probably be best if you did stay on your own glo's forum.

-Rudey
--We'll all get along better than way probably. Cool. High-five!

Wasn't there a thread (I may have started it actually) about this and the media? basically, it talked about how blacks are viewed as being more violent, but whites are viewed in more "less abrasive " terms, even though they each had committed the same crime. I'll have to search for the thread.

Ok, back to topic.......

Hoosier (and anyone else that needs some clarification) if you check out www.stophazing.org or www.hazing.hanknuwer.com , you will find your theory of BGLOs being mutually exclusive to violence (and therefore the cause of all greeks getting a bad rap for hazing... :rolleyes: ) completely blown out the window.

I think ABC should know
 

I think ABC should know:

1 - the Alfred U. study of hazing in athletics is biased and wrong

2 - altho black GLOs and white GLOs both have Greek Letters on their T-shirts and houses, they aren't very similar. Both have their good points.

3 - the single worst case of hazing last year - two ladies drowned - involved a black GLO.

4 - Rush Limbaugh is right, and is not a druggy. He stepped on the third rail, mentioning the player's race.

According to a reliable internet source, no ostrich has ever been observed with his or her head burried in the sand.

Can't comment on that cause I haven't read it yet.

I agree

That chapter is unrecognized and such that, should not reflect the whole organizations. However, I would say the death of Walter Dean Jennings is as horrible as the two ladies death.

Not going to comment on this because we are discussing Greek issues here.

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Did you walk unannounced and uninvited into houses there, too?

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Ha. Just so you know, a couple houses here had raging parties, so give them until tonight before you come in and start the ignorant judging of those chapters, ok?

We were silent last night, so we're relatively clean, but of course, that wouldn't be enough to change your ASSumption, would it?

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They were killed driving back from an activity not during an actvitiy. It was just the 2 pledges in there own car. If driving your own car is hazing we are all in trouble. Thats why TKE is still at SDSU because driving your own car is not illegal. Granted they are not recoginzed by the campus but are by TKE. And I here they are doing quite well number wise.

No, they were expelled from campus because one of their pledges, a professor's son, was left at the campus quad after basically drinking a fifth of alcohol. That happened my freshmen semester and I even talked to the guy it happened to.

Yeah they're doing well with numbers, but you can't judge a chapter merely on that. I'm not going to say anything about the TKEs here aside from what I've just said, but, they haven't exactly done anything to show that they deserve recognition from ANYONE.

WOW interviews ands tests are considered hazing by some? :eek: Regarding tests, how would you (not you, but in generally speaking) know if a pledge has learned all the necessary info about their organization?

I think this gets us into a HUGE misperception that way, way too many NPC sorority ladies have about hazing. Just because your organization forbids scavenger hunts, interviews, trust walks -- and refers to them as "hazing" -- does NOT mean that they are against state hazing laws. And unless a multicultural organization's HQ forbids them to do these things or they are against federal or state hazing laws, they are NOT hazing. Your organization may think so, and you may not be allowed to do them, but just because a different organization does things differently does not necessarily mean that they are wrong. It is okay, in some cases, for some NIC organizations to make their pledges clean the house. It is okay, in some GLOs, for the actives to conduct interviews or make the pledges go on scavenger hunts.

A lot of NPC organizations have gone overboard in their anti-hazing laws. Do I think that's necessarily a bad thing? No. But I do think that if other organizations choose to run their organizations differently, as long as they're not breaking any laws they are fine.

Just a note too, that some NPC orgs do allow tests. For example Pi Phi has an official new member test that everyone must pass to be initiated (although they may be phasing this out... I'm not sure). Other tests would be a no-no, though. There is also an interview with alumnae that was required when I pledged. But that was officially sanctioned. A scary interview in the dark or under duress would not be allowed.

Also any event that is participated in by the whole chapter would not be hazing. For example if the whole chapter did a scavenger hunt as a sisterhood activity and everyone was on teams and there was nothing questionable about it (ie, I know a group on campus that does a liquor scavenger hunt where members have to finish whatever liquor they find on their route) it would be fine. We have a ropes course on our campus too--it's hazing to make the pledges do it, but not if the entire chapter goes. Hope that clarifies the position of most NPCs a little.

THANK YOU for saying that. Just because your organization thinks interviews and such are hazing, why should everyone else believe that?

There are countries where women are not allowed to wear pants. How would people feel if those people came over here and critized all of us for wearing pants?

Like I said before... WHEN DID THE SORORITY ON MTV HAZE? Midnight meetings doesn't count because that might of been the only time they could all meet. When I was going through my educational process, most of the time my class would meet at midnight because everyone was so busy. It's hard to set up a convenient time for EVERYONE to meet sometimes.

Also, I personally never heard of anyone getting a brand when they were pledging. It happens after they cross.