Del's Final Thoughts...
 

Ladygreek, it is totally okay for us to disagree on this. I still have SO much love for ya!! :D

I have to leave with my final thoughts...

For those who say: God is love I am in total agreement with that statement. God is love. But why do we have such a hard time grasping on to the fact that God is also a God of judgement? Our parents love and are compassionate towards us, but when we were little and disobeyed them over and over and over again, what happened to us? We would either 1) get a beat down, 2) get on punishment, 3) have a time out (it didn't work like that in my family! :)) , etc. And when it got to the point that if we became too defiant, our parents would kick us out the house. Now, why do CHRISTIANS (I'm only referring to those who proclaim to be Christians) feel that God won't punish us if we disobey His word?

For those who say, the Bible was written by man, therefore it's been tampered with: For those who are affiliated in Greek organizations, when we were on line-did we question anything that study guide said about our history? Did we say, I think that's been tampered with, therefore there are some flaws in my history? No, we believed EVERYTHING that study guide said. And don't let someone come up to me and say Delta was founded in 1908...we will straight up FIGHT them over that.

For those who aren't affiliated in Greek organizations: When we went to school, we never questioned our teachers or professors on anything they taught us. We never disagreed that man walked on the moon. We weren't there, so how do we truly know? We don't think twice about all of those mathematical equations and functions our teachers teach us. But when it comes down to God, someone who's so sovereign, powerful, etc., we question the Bible. Why would God allow the Bible to be tampered with? Everything in the Bible has been fulfilled. Look at what's going on in the world today and read the Bible. You would be amazed at how precise and parallel our world is as it compares to the Bible. If you're a Christian, you need to open your eyes. This is no joke. God is real, and His Word is real. The scripture says, If my people, who are called by MY name, would 1) HUMBLE themselves, 2) PRAY, 3)SEEK MY FACE 4)
(and most importantly) TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS, then I will hear from Heaven and will heal the land. We must TURN FROM OUR WICKED WAYS!

I LUV Y'ALL AND I'M OUT! This was a great debate!!!

Del:D

Oh My
 

I am truly concerned about some of the churches that some of you all are attending. What church baptises a couple that is living together unmarried?


Oh MY!!:o . I guess some people wouldn't make it at my church. Unmarried fathers can't even stand up at the dedication ceremonies of their babies at my church. Pregnant unmarried women, and the father of their child are asked to leave any auxilary they may be involved in.


I guess I have a alternate view of spirituality, and I tend to get deep about these things.



Fornincation, homosexuality, promiscuity, these things are the enemy. There are spirits of deception involved. DoggyStyle, you can stop fornicating, pray on it (sincerely). I agreed with a lot of what you have say, but you know you can't just talk it, you got to walk it.

When Christians can allow the Holy Spirit to speak through them, and say the words that need to be said, but then get caught up in spirits of DECEPTION (fornication, lying, gambling, drinking, homsexuality), that feeds into the non-believers shrill cry of "hypocrite...hypocrite."

Christian sinners are supposed to repent. Repentance doesn't mean, "Yo, God, my bad, Baby had a big ole butt. I had to tap that. Forgive me for the next time, now, cuz I know I'mma hit that again." Repentance means, "I was dead wrong, and I won't do that, no more." Gay men, living together fully intend to do it some more.

I don't care that this is an unpopular view, if I were the pastor of that church, they woulda been standing by the baptismal pool waiting...and waiting...and waiting. I agree that homosexuals need, and deserve love(not acceptance of lifestyle, love. I don't accept that child molesters were born that way, so I surely ain't gone accept that nobody else, no matter what their affliction was "born that way", that's a spirit of deception), however, as a pastor, you can not condone no mess. God doesn't deal in mess. Those are spirits of deception, I tell you. Spirits of deception. The enemy comes in like a flood.

Ain't nobody perfect, and I certainly believe that all sin is the same, ain't no big, ain't no little, but God's glory comes through repentance. People have got to stop justifying their actions with, "God knows my heart." I honestly believe that God knowing some of our hearts, is what's gonna get us in the biggest trouble of all.

I hope I didn't come off as self-righteous, I wasn't trying to be.

Oh, and I agree completely with Delph998. I'm concerned about some people up in here, I'm in prayer for some GCers. Myself included.

Great post Miss Mocha, but let me say this. I'm not a finger pointer nor a hypocrite. I cast no stones. All my posts were espository in nature. I was not intending to speak through or for the Holy Spirit. I felt it was my duty to point out the faulty way that some on here have put their individual sentiments before God's word. I want no one to view me in a hypocritical light. My duty as I saw it was to focus on the false teachings mentioned in the article, not to tell people where they stood with God. I would be a hypocrite if I told people to live a life that I wasn't living or if I judged people on their sins without that same judgement on my behavior.

BTW, I don't struggle with fornication, I'm just victimized on occasion by the ability of Black women to beguile me with delightful derrieres, beautiful smiles, and boundless intelligence,lol. Bible study...booty/Bible study....booty. Such inner conflict. What chapter and verse was that again? 36-24-36?

Thanks for your prayers and they will be returned.

Delph88. You need to clear your PM box. I can't keep re-typing my message.

LADYGREEK...... we have much in common:

I'm telling on DoggyStyle82. Boy, you need a spanking.;)

Re: Del's Final Thoughts...
 

Since I did say that, I will respond. When I was pledging/on line, I didn't question our herstory:) because of the simple fact that I know Sigma history can be PROVEN just as AKA, DST, & ZPB histories can be proven. The original text of the bible was wirtten so long ago and has been translated so many times.(orignal ideas lost in translation)

The question I pose is where is the original text and why isn't there a DIRECT translation of it? So we know exactly what was ment hen it was written.

Re: Oh My
 

*I am not saying this with any attempt to be mean-spirited*

You do not need to be concerned about my church. It is a loving and warm church and my Pastor is a loving and warm man of God. And very honestly if two grown people finally came and wished to be baptized, we would be praising the Lord, not judging them because that would be between them and God.

But I do have a question. The unmarried father could not participate in the baby's dedication, but the unmarried mother could? What is the difference?

Re: Re: Oh My
 

It wouldn't bother me if you were being mean-spirited. After all, ain't nobody on GC bestowing no blessing; multiplied no fishes; parted the Red Sea; or walked on water. I look to the hills for my strength. I wasn't talking about anybody's church in particular.


As far as your question, it was a good one, I could make an assumption, but I won't. I'll contact my pastor, and get back to you with an answer.


Being judgemental has nothing to do with my take on this. I personally would RUN from a church where the pastor was just willing to baptise any old body. The rest of the congregation could sit there clapping and "rejoicing", Miss. Mocha would be heading for the hills. Certain situations need deliverance and spiritual cleansing. You can "invite" evil into your house. I don't need to be going to no church where I ain't sure who is being served.

Churches shouldn't get caught up in political correctness, but many do. If my pastor started preaching that, "let's just accept everybody as who they are", mess, I'm outtie. Chester the Molester feels accepted and welcomed "just the way he is". He ain't repented, he ain't trying to get into God's will. He's been baptised, welcomed and invited. He gone use the church as his hunting ground for baby victims. I won't be leaving him alone with "Little Miss. Mocha" teaching Sunday school.

If my pastor would baptise a "grown" heterosexual couple who was living together out of wedlock, I wouldn't be in agreement of that. If I'm out of agreement with the pastor, then I need to be outta that church.

The church is the house of the LORD, not the house of Pastor Smith or Pastor Jackson, on an ego trip.

Re: Re: Del's Final Thoughts...
 

Doggy, my mailbox is empty now. SORRY! ;)

Ninja, I can't answer where the original text is. But I can say this much...Christianity is all about FAITH. There are some things that we're not suppose to understand. If we totally understood Christ, there would be no purpose in us being Christians. God has made it so we can rely on Him and truly believe in His Word. And as previously stated, the Bible has been/is being fulfilled. If we look at the state of America and read the Bible...it might scare you. So, that's all that I can say about that. :D

Bruh, are you going to clue me in?

Re: Del's Final Thoughts...
 

Boo (as CT4's mother would say), from one peacher's grandkid to one preacher's kid, it's all good! But it didn't take ya long to come back. :D Luv Ya, too ;)

My 06 Cents...
 

I have been monitoring the progress of this thread all day long and now it is time for me to respond:

As a Christian man in today's society, it is so disheartening to look around and see our world falling apart at the seams. We are at war, suffering from old and new diseases, and simply living outside the WILL OF GOD. There is no way that I would/could question the divine prophecies that are contained within the Bible because too many things that are stated in the Bible are coming true. I think Delph998 said it best with the statement about us believing everything said in our history books but always questioning the Bible. There are so many fallacies in the history we were taught in school that are being revealed everyday. We never question it though. However, it is so easy to question, debate and dispute the WORD OF GOD. This is the very reason GOD is not pleased.

Secondly, as for this issue of homosexuality, it is an abomination in the eyes of GOD. Don't just take my word for it, take GOD's Word and read Genesis 19:1-38. This is the first instance of this subject that is mentioned in the Bible. There is no part of this story that can be misinterpreted. For those who don't want to take GOD's WORD and trust, obey and live it, pay close attention to verses 16-26 of that chapter. It demonstrates someone hearing and knowing GOD's WORD but taking matters into their own hands...

I realize that nothing in the Bible can be physically proven and there is no official documentation, nothing in museums, etc., but here's where I stand...I stand on FAITH. Just as I have faith that seven young men faced obstacles at Cornell University to found Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc., even though I have not met any of them to get physical proof, I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and rose again to fulfill prophecy. I have much less stress in my life because I don't question this act or any other act in the Bible. The Bible wasn't created for me to question if its contents are true or not, it was created for me to be inspired and live the life that my LORD intended for me to live. I have faith that never ceases. For those that care to read them, here are a few scriptures on FAITH that we all can learn from:

Romans 4:3 - For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Romans 10:17 - So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith;and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

Hebrews 11:1 - Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Hebrews 11:6 - But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

James 1:6 - But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering . For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and tossed.

I could go on and on, but some of you get the point.
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Re: Re: Del's Final Thoughts...again...
 

Sometimes people are so dag on smart that they're so dag on ignorant. Your post made absolutely no sense to me! You said:
Wisdom doesn't come from blindly accepting what people say to you, or blindly accepting packaged religious doctrine because it comes from an "authority" figure and makes you feel holier than those that don't abide by your religious doctrine For clarity purposes, I want you to know that I have not blindly accepted what people say to me about Christianity. I use my Bible as a resource, so I can know the Word for myself. Since I proclaim to be a Christian, I have NO problems accepting everything that the Bible says. I'm not a lukewarm Christian-one who believes only what they want to believe. I want to live righteously in the eyesight of God. Since I use my Bible as a resource, let me educate you on some scriptures that you probably skipped:

Hosea 4: 6: My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children

John:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD. (this is why I don't question anything the Bible says)

Proverbs 12:1-3: Whoso loveth instruction loveth knowledge: but he that hateth reproof is brutish. 2) A good man obtaineth favour of the Lord, but a man of WICKED devices will he condemn.

Since TOOICECOLD did an excellent job speaking on faith, I need not go there. That's all I have to say about that!

Ironic…the same book that was once used to justify the enslavement of African Americans is now used as the authority to subjugate yet another segment of the population.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Frat...

You are right about some of this. The Bible was used to justify the enslavement of our people. There's just one thing...the people (slave owners, white ministers, etc) were the ones that twisted the words of the Bible to justify slavery for their own greedy and wicked purposes. The Bible does not now nor has it ever, condoned slavery. Here's where God stepped in though: In the Bible there is the very famous story of Moses and how he delivered God's people from Egypt. This is the very story that inspired many African American leaders to speak out against the institution of slavery and some of them even delivered our people into freedom. They also read this same Bible and became inspired by the messages of hope, peace and love that God intended for us. They also had faith, which I explained in my last post ;) The white people back then tried to use the Bible for wicked purposes but as you can see, that soon ended. The proof comes from you and I being able to sit here and discuss this issue freely. The Bible is not trying to condemn any group of people, it just tells us what is in this case, displeasing in God's eyesight.

Some interesting points have been made!
 

Miss Mocha,

Just for clarification (because I think I understand what you are saying, but just to be sure ;) ), in your previous post concerning church membership, are you saying that it is ok for a sinner to attend your church to learn more about God (i.e. His ways and why choices such as homosexuality, premaritial sex, murder is living outside of God's will), but he/she should not be able to JOIN the church as a MEMBER unless he/she is prepared to give their life to Christ and live according to His will?

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On another note, I believe that Blackwatch made some excellent points regarding the use of a lot of the terminology/meaning being used by everyone. Yes, at my church, worship services are open to everyone, since they are also used to educate those that are lost to Christ as well as strengthen those of us who are already members of Christ's family. That is why near the end of the service, there is an opportunity for those who want to become born again (which does not include a baptism unless you have never been baptized).

However, membership into the church is excluded to only those who have already made the decision to live according to God's will.