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ADPiViolets 02-19-2003 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by SilverTurtle

So when they ask, tell them that you spent your time with this amazing guy. And when they ask what he's like, tell them about all of the things you'd tell them- he's funny, smart, whatever. And then tell them something like "just so there's no surprises, he's black", and continue raving about his good qualities.

Congrats on finding someone worth spending your time with! :D

I think thats a great idea. :)

Kevin 02-19-2003 01:53 AM

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Originally posted by smiley21
You can try and justify uf_pike's comments but I think if he was trying to explain his family, he could have done it with a little more tact. I am still offended by those remarks. I talk with just as much intelligence as any given person. I actually had someone tell me that I talk too proper to be black.
:confused:

After all these years, we (not just blacks, but everyone) still cant be looked at as equals. It makes me sick. Do we really need to pass this racist attitude to our children???

All tact aside.. You can really find some validity in what he said. He may have said it in a way that COMPLETELY put folks on the defensive but do you doubt that he was telling the truth?

Would you be less offended if he lied?

Think about the intercultural aspects of interracial relationships -- it doesn't always apply but it often does. Statements such as "White girls are trouble" reflect the attitudes of a culture. Remember the thread where we couldn't even agree on the meaning of the term "racism"?

(do a search for a thread called prejudism if not)

smiley21 02-19-2003 08:25 AM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
All tact aside.. You can really find some validity in what he said. He may have said it in a way that COMPLETELY put folks on the defensive but do you doubt that he was telling the truth?

Would you be less offended if he lied?

Think about the intercultural aspects of interracial relationships -- it doesn't always apply but it often does. Statements such as "White girls are trouble" reflect the attitudes of a culture. Remember the thread where we couldn't even agree on the meaning of the term "racism"?

(do a search for a thread called prejudism if not)



Its lik I said before, I know what he's trying to say. I just dont like the way he said it. It's like I were to say something like, "I can bring a white guys home if they get rid of their southern accents, stop wear abercrombie (which I love btw) and start dressing somewhat like decent black guys by wearing structure. Oh and they need to leave their skateboard and surfboards out of the conversation with my parents":rolleyes:

One doesnt have to date outside his race. It doesnt make you racist if you dont. But the least you could do is have some respect for other people.

ilovemyglo 02-19-2003 10:51 AM

Okay, I know I am going to get flamed for this one but, I will never ever be able to date any man that does not appear to be a caucasian. My parents would more than flip out. They would eventually accept it, but I know it would totally dissappoint my mother, my grandmother would never speak to her again and my aunts and uncles (except for one) would more than likely disown my mother and father also. In my family it just isn't allowed. I had a huge crush on a guy my sophomore year in high school (he was a senior, and african american) and totally hot!! We kissed and hung out, talked on the phone all the time and stuff, but when we talked about possibly dating I was honest with him about my mother's opinions on interracial (or intercultural) dating. (My father isn't nearly as bad as my mom- but she was raised in Memphis in the 1950's). He was understanding and we decided to just be friends.
Did I miss out? Yes. I know I did. I missed out on dating an wonderful, sexy, kind, compassionate, intelligent man. He and I have remained friends (he is married and has a baby girl now, and is getting his PhD to become a Biology professor). Do I regret it?... No. The strife it would have cause my family and my parents, and the dissappointment from them, in me, would be more than a man.
Men come and men go, even sometimes the ones you marry, but your parents and your family- you only get one of those... ever. I am attracted to men of all races, and I have dated them, but never seriously. Does that make me racist? I don't think so, I think it just means I know I can pick from many men, and I choose to pick men that I know my parents would approve of.

On a side note, I hate it that my parents are like that, and my brothers feel the same way I do, but we understand that is them, not us. One of the reasons my ex and I broke up was because he said no child of his would date outside their race. Bye bye! My kids can date who ever they want- I don't care.
And, on top of all that, I was raised in a prodominately african american neighborhood. Most of my friends from my childhood are not white. They are every color but white. So why my parents are against me dating people that aren't I will never understand.
Maybe it is because I am only 23, and I still feel the need to make my parents happy, and i don't want to dissappoint them or hurt them.
Someone else said that you can't marry someone for your parents, which is true, but you can try and choose someone that you know your parents will not utterly protest against.
I have friends that are asian and their mother would Kill them if they brought a white girl home, and one of the hottest guys I know is Jewish, and I mean this boy is sexy's definition, I would love to date him, but he will not date a girl that is not Jewish. I don't have to like it to live it.

NOWorNEVER 02-19-2003 12:00 PM

Hmmm, Ilovemyglo, I think I can kinda understand where you are coming from.

I too want my parents to approve of who I date because they want the best for me, but on the other hand, they totally trust my judgement. If they wanted me to stop dating a person, they will have a legitimate reason other than skin color. I mean, they might not like it, but they know me and will eventually get used to it. Love is where you find it, and my parents have always told me "foresake mother, father, sister, and brother" when it comes to a soul mate (I think they got that from somewhere in the bible). Now with my brother, it is veeery different because he is colorstruck (or at least he used to be). Light skin girls, Hispanic girls, some white girls were all he used to talk about :rolleyes:. That really hurt me because it was like a slap in the face. My parents are extra careful about him and who he sees because he is a star athlete and alll kinds of hoochies call the house. They are worried that white girls will use him just to "see what it's like" or that some girl's redneck father will come after him with a noose and shotgun. When he really grows up, matures, and finds someone, I'm sure my parents will approve but for right now, they can see straight through the bullshit. ;)

starang21 02-19-2003 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by sigmagrrl
I'm African American....I will never date a black man, I'm pretty sure of this.
man, i know i can't say this about asian women. i mean, i'm openminded and everything as far as other races are concerned. but what kinda guy would i be if i gave up on women who looked like me? that's like a slap in my mother's face, like i have a problem with being what i am. IMHO, there's a degree of self-hatred in me not wanting to have anything to do with a woman of my heritage.

sigmagrrl 02-19-2003 12:29 PM

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Originally posted by starang21
man, i know i can't say this about asian women. i mean, i'm openminded and everything as far as other races are concerned. but what kinda guy would i be if i gave up on women who looked like me? that's like a slap in my mother's face, like i have a problem with being what i am. IMHO, there's a degree of self-hatred in me not wanting to have anything to do with a woman of my heritage.
Others have asked me that, but, I like what I like. Ever since I was a kid, I was attracted to Caucasian men. My first crush was Superman (Christopher Reeve). I won't be changing anytime soon. Everyone who challenges me on it eventually just accepts it. It's who I am...I used to be ashamed and very defensive, but I realize that I cannot live my life to make others happy.

starang21 02-19-2003 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by sigmagrrl
Others have asked me that, but, I like what I like. Ever since I was a kid, I was attracted to Caucasian men. My first crush was Superman (Christopher Reeve). I won't be changing anytime soon. Everyone who challenges me on it eventually just accepts it. It's who I am...I used to be ashamed and very defensive, but I realize that I cannot live my life to make others happy.
hey, it's cool...do you. i don't have any qualms with it. i know some asian chicks who have said the same thing about asian men even if they've never dated one. my last girl, i was the first asian cat she's dated...and it blew her mind. but there's something behind not having to explain certain things becuase they already know them. my thing is, how can you say you're all that openminded when you've not tasted the whole rainbow, especially you're own color? it's just as closeminded to not date inside as it is not to date outside.

DWAlphaGam 02-19-2003 01:08 PM

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Originally posted by pinkyphimu
well, i just ended an inter-cultural relationship. i am italian and he is indian (as in from india). he moved here when he was 8. neither of us had issues due to our cultural differences. our biggest clash was he is a vegetarian and i am not. lol, he hates the smell of tuna and said that i could never have it in our house.

anyway, his family expected that he would have an arranged marriage. both of his older sisters did, so that was that. his younger brother is also in a relationship with an american woman. he told his parents about her and his mother cried. and still cries every day. they told him that they would disown him, although they have not yet. they have in the past made it clear to my ex that they would disown him. i kept telling him that if he and his brother did it together, there was no way his parents would cut them both off! unfortunately, as soon as his brother told his parents.....they guilted my ex even more. "we are so glad you would never do that to us..." puh-lease. how ridiculous. i am well educated, come from a good family, have my own money, and love this man more than just about anything, but in their eyes i am not good enough because i am not indian.
last weekend he called me to tell me that he is engaged to a woman that he met a week before who happens to live in india....and he won't see her again until the wedding.

he wasn't strong enough to tell his parents. he is miserable, but doesn't know how to get out. as i have told him a zillion times, someday your parents will die and you will be looking at some woman that you never cared about and that you were with just to make your parents happy.

parents suck. their generation has a very different view of inter-racial/ cultural relationships. things have changed and we are more accepting of these things. if you show your parents that the person you are with is good to you and for you, then they will change too.

My boyfriend of 5 years is Indian, and I am in shock reading this. He was born in the U.S., but his parents were born and raised in India and a lot of his family is still there. My b/f's grandparents didn't even have an arranged marriage. He told me that he's pretty sure that his great-grandparents did have arranged marriages, but that things like that don't really happen too often anymore. His family is really open and understanding, and although at first I was worried that they wouldn't like me or that they wouldn't want him to date me because I'm white, none of them cared at all. Actually, one of his uncles has been married to a Jewish woman for over 30 years, and their daughter just married a man from Mexico.

My boyfriend is really charming and wonderful, so I wasn't really worried about my family liking him. They are very nice to him and like him a lot, but I still hear some members of my family using racial slurs from time to time when he's not around (not to refer to him though). I tell them that they shouldn't say things like that, but they always say that they wouldn't say things like that about my boyfriend because he's "not like other Indian people," whatever that's supposed to mean. :rolleyes:

UF_PikePC98 02-19-2003 03:17 PM

I don't see why my thread got deleted.....


I think there are a lot of new black chicks on this board who are trying to start some racist war. " Oh, this white dude is trashin black people!"

Listen, I'm not at all trashing black people. I know a lot of people up in Atlanta who I'm friends with and are almost all black. Atlanta is like the Chicago of the south. I'm not at all racist. However, that doesn't change the fact that if i ever were to date a black chick she'd have to act white if she wanted to meet my parents.


Damn, some of you really take offense at this crap. Seriously, I could easily start up a debate about how easy minorities have it as far as getting into college and Law School......just because they're minorities. If you're Jewish, Black or Asian, and you have the same grades as a white student when applying for UF's Law School.....chances are you'll get in and the white kid won't. Plain and simple. There was a big issue about it a year or two ago and the College of Law started letting all kinds of people in from what I heard, based soely on the fact that they were'nt white protestants. The college took a lot of heat and in the process probably let some lesser qualified people in. I'm sure it happened in a few cases.

Don't try and turn this into a white people bashing black peopel thing.....It's not happening.......That card has been played one too many times in this country.

Honeykiss1974 02-19-2003 03:24 PM

THE MISEDUCATION OF UF_PIKEC98

...coming to a town near you.

librasoul22 02-19-2003 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by UF_PikePC98
I don't see why my thread got deleted.....


I think there are a lot of new black chicks on this board who are trying to start some racist war. " Oh, this white dude is trashin black people!"

Listen, I'm not at all trashing black people. I know a lot of people up in Atlanta who I'm friends with and are almost all black. Atlanta is like the Chicago of the south. I'm not at all racist. However, that doesn't change the fact that if i ever were to date a black chick she'd have to act white if she wanted to meet my parents.


Damn, some of you really take offense at this crap. Seriously, I could easily start up a debate about how easy minorities have it as far as getting into college and Law School......just because they're minorities. If you're Jewish, Black or Asian, and you have the same grades as a white student when applying for UF's Law School.....chances are you'll get in and the white kid won't. Plain and simple. There was a big issue about it a year or two ago and the College of Law started letting all kinds of people in from what I heard, based soely on the fact that they were'nt white protestants. The college took a lot of heat and in the process probably let some lesser qualified people in. I'm sure it happened in a few cases.

Don't try and turn this into a white people bashing black peopel thing.....It's not happening.......That card has been played one too many times in this country.

I will just leave the whole post in all of its ignorant splendor.

First, I am far from new. I didn't think you were trying to start a race war, nor did I think "this white dude is bashin black people! (cowabunga!)". I did think you sounded like a horse's azz so I decided to respond.

Second, I am from Atlanta. I feel sorry for my brethern who are acquainted with you.

Third, you are an idiot.

Now that we have cleared that up...

I really doubt any black girls are attracted to you, unless they are really immersed in self-hatred. So you probably won't ever have to worry about bringing any home to mommy.

Now, let us examine how you got into your university, shall we? Oops. You are not in one. For whatever reasons, you can't seem to matriculate all the way through, huh? So before you even think about criticizing someone's admission into college, consider the fact that you can't seem to hack it yourself.

UF_PikePC98 02-19-2003 03:56 PM

I'm taking the semester off, I didn't quit school. I've never had a semester off. I haven't grad yet because I've changed my major so many freaking times.


you feel sorry for your brethern..... Girl those black friends of mine are more white than some of the white people I know. They make jokes about me being white all the time. I crack on them for being black.....We all know it's in fun.

Next, I think you're totally taking this a little too far......Some of the things you say makes me wonder somtimes, but I don't hark on you about it.


And if you must know.....i do have a major problem with black chicks hitting on me......most of you black girls do find white guys sexy....

smiley21 02-19-2003 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by UF_PikePC98
I'm taking the semester off, I didn't quit school. I've never had a semester off. I haven't grad yet because I've changed my major so many freaking times.


you feel sorry for your brethern..... Girl those black friends of mine are more white than some of the white people I know. They make jokes about me being white all the time. I crack on them for being black.....We all know it's in fun.

Next, I think you're totally taking this a little too far......Some of the things you say makes me wonder somtimes, but I don't hark on you about it.


And if you must know.....i do have a major problem with black chicks hitting on me......most of you black girls do find white guys sexy....




I dont care about your opinion for black girls. It's your swelled head that is getting on my nerves. You may be the sexiest man alive but dont think you are breaking the black girls' hearts cause you wont give them the time of day.

I dont want to start a race war. I was just defending myself. Do you see what you are actually saying?
It may be an opinion or a way that you choose to live, but it just sounds ignorant because you putting all of the black girls in one category with that stereotype about the cornrows and the weaves, etc.
You can chose not to date outside your race, religion, culture,...it doesnt matter. But if you cant help falling for someone in spite of her being black, jewish, asian.....give it a shot. you dont know what you could be missing. If it truly makes you happy then your parents will come around. If not, then they have a problem.

breathesgelatin 02-19-2003 05:23 PM

I sort of casually dated/talked to a black guy in high school, but my father wasn't too happy about it. He ended up regretting it hardcore. Derek asked me to prom when I was a junior and he was a senior. I couldn't go and I ended up getting a last minute date with this white guy who turned out to be a drug dealer and who ditched me at the prom to smoke dope.:rolleyes: Derek was an awesome guy and he is a two-sport college athlete now who has won all sorts of awards. Totally outstanding! But my high school was known for a lot of interracial relationships and for acceptance.

At my college there are hardly any black PEOPLE, let along black guys. Me and my friend Devin were joking about one day. She was like "I've worked my way through all seven black guys in my class, now it's time to start on the white dudes." I feel really sorry for a lot of the independent black girls because it is so hard for them to get dates (we don't have, but need, an NPHC group). I mean, if most white guys don't date them (or honestly don't know them if they're not Greek), they're left with a miniscule amount of black dudes, more of whom pledge and know more people. Girls who pledge ususally don't have as big of a problem. In my sorority there are several black and biracial sisters and they date whoever they want to date. And some of my white sisters date interracially too. One of them is actually going through an ordeal right now because her dude is (a Lambda Chi) graduating and Pakistani, and he might not be able to stay in the states unless she marries him!:eek: Now, I'm just exposed to more white guys because of my school's social life but if I was in another environment I'd probably date interracially. My boyfriend now is "white" but has Hispanic heritage and has really dark skin and hair... His brothers call him Fez, pretty much they look exactly alike... WHOA, he's hot, can't wait to get back from break!:o


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