I think you guys are talking about the more infamous Theta Nu Epsilon chapters that have usually been around for decades at various campuses. They operate as a fraternity in and of themselves and have their own fraternal character. Some merged with or became secret societies that are political but operate independently of any GLO coordinating function. Chapters have various names that they use as well as Theta Nu Epsilon (TNE.)

In terms of what they do on campus, they often as an underground coordinating body for fraternities, societies and sometimes sororities. Where this happens the fraternities may have a representative that they may guess is rep or several reps to TNE but the TNE members does not necessarily share their membership status with the rest of their frat, relying upon their own pull and personal relationships. Because of this normally only the most popular students, usually office holders of some sort, are selected to TNE. This is nothing new or wrong and at any rate, is publicly knows because of the Alabama chapter of Theta Nu Epsilon (The Machine/Skull and Keys.)

In the South they TNE is dominated by old row fraternities and traditionally exclude cultural and multicultural fraternities. In the West they are dominated by smaller, newer fraternities. In the East they incorporate secret society and sometimes independent members. In the Midwest there often isn't a particular distinction.

Even though the original constitution forbids it, some groups have admitted sorority members and non-Christian members, whether because of changing times or because they needed the votes for elections. Some coordinate with these non-traditional groups for election purposes and other agendas but do not bring them in as members.

Expansion is always a problem, usually occurring through personal relationships. Every once in a while a TNE site or messages pop up from some chapter to facilitate expansion. Several fraternity members will get together and...

Recognition has been a general problem but anyone who has descended from the group would, presumably know "which way does the wind blow from" so to speak, know the officers titles, and know some of the same Greek and English phrases even if other things like grips or things change (as they have for say, Freemasons). There is also a code, that has been passed around, and which may have changed by chapter. This code though it is intended mainly for internal business of chapters. It can be seen on some of the items sold publicly by collectors.

Most operate independently. There are chapters however that coordinate amongst themselves; others have competing claims to legitimate authority in a region or nationally. Some groups spring up with the support of TNE at another campus. Despite this lack of recognized nationalized organizational structure, TNE are said to have a very politically powerful alumni base in some regions.

The self styled "Alpha Chapter" at Wesleyan is an public, co-ed society, NOT a fraternity and NOT an inter-fraternity group. They have several websites and groups. Apparently they exist to meet new friends, etc, with no agenda.

fratitude, your comments are entirely out of line, and are based on fantasy. There are no functioning chapters that do what you claim. You're spreading a fake rumor about Theta Nu Epsilon that it's some sort of secret coordinating body for fraternities. It isn't. You talk about chapters fo Theta Nu Epsilon doing all sorts of things when there are NO chapters of Theta Nu Epsilon doing these things.

Why lie to people about this?

There is one Theta Nu Epsilon, it has a national. It exists, and has existed since 1870. The chapters of Theta Nu Epsilon do not do anything of the things you, in your fantasies, dream about.

The society's webpage is www.thetanuepsilon.org

You, fratitude, are just a liar, talking about an imaginary society that does not exist. Get a clue.

Great, you posted a link to the Nebraskan which shows that some illegitimate bunch of brain-dead frat boys publish a load of the most purile garbage and are an embarassment to their university, a link to articles on Alabama, which hasn't been a part of Theta Nu Epsilon in close to a century, and a article about fifty year old activities at USC.

Your first post was a flat out lie. You make it seem you represent some sort of society when you've got nothing. You have no chapters, no organization, no members and no future. I don't know whether you're some moronic frat boy who actually believes the "secret society that actually runs universities from behind the scenes" bullshit some drunk old fart alum told you, or whether you're the drunk old fart alum, but you you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

You don't know what the society is about, what anything in the society means, what the whole purpose has been since the beginning.

Whatever cow pasture you were initiated in, you have no right or claim to the name Theta Nu Epsilon.

The fact that you would come on here and just flat out lie to people and claim you were a part of some large organization is just laughable. You and whoever you're with ought to be sued for fraud for trying to sell them such bull.

There is no organization like you described. It's made up.

The good news is that you're doomed. In the long run, your pathetic game, that little boys club of yours, is doomed. You're a dinosaur, and your childish game is just about up.

You represent no tradition, no organization, no history, no society.

You are a member of nothing.

You should try to think, for once in your life, if the Theta Nu Epsilon you described actually existed, how come YOU have never seen it? The whole system you describe: you've never seen large meetings of powerful alumni members, no meetings with chapters from all over. How about important measures politically forced through at some university; name one. Some exercise of power? Have you seen any of these things? None of it. I know you haven't seen these things, because I know they don't exist. I know what you have and what you do. And I know what you're a member of. How come you don't?

You were sold a fraud yourself, and you've been here trying to scam others just like you've been scammed.

Why are you posting here trying to get people to think you're a member of something powerful and important when you're not?

Now that's pathetic. You can think I'm one guy or another, you can rant and rave, you can post all the attacks you want. But your post is a lie, it's selling a lie to people, and you ought to be ashamed of it.


Theta Nu Epsilon is an honorable organization that never needs to hide in the shadows.

Well, I'm glad you found the fight that you were obviously looking for. Thumbs up dude! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

Kitso
KS 361

And how honorable you are acting. Double thumbs up for being a model representative.

Who's looking for a fight? This thread was dead for two years and fratitude comes and posts an outrageous lie. ---And that means I'm looking for a fight? That's ridiculous.

A lot of you saw the post before it was taken down. Wasn't even remotely threatening, etc. Dunno what triggered that post of his, I never said anything negative about his group in first place; just c&p'd a bland descriptive sentence, a quote from a site by Christopher Kylin, acknowledged "General Secretary", spokesperson and "refounder" of the new Wesleyan TNE and the new Mystic Seven whose Masonic lodge in Connecticut was booted because of him. That's all public record by the way- Kylin acknowledges himself as this on his "Alpha" TNE page.

After Mr. "Taconicus" (whoever he is) had a shared his lovely message, I linked to a couple of articles- all publicly accessible, reputable, no threats or insults there either, most of which were linked above by other posters. I ended saying I wouldn't get into a back and forth. (What's the point of name calling and impugning w/o fact? And if the "last word" makes someone that happy why begrudge?)

Nevertheless Mr. "Taconicus" seems to have threatened the board managers to take even that down. Top shelf move champ!


-"Brain Dead Frat Boy"


"Christopher Kylin ‘84 did extensive research into the histories of many of the fraternities and societies at Wesleyan. Kylin took a particular interest in the Mystical Seven and, along with a few of his friends, decided to refound the society, despite the fact that the senior society, which was rarely seen or heard from on campus, continued to exist... The Father of one of the members, Mark Mullen, bought the volumes in their entirety for $6,000 and donated them to the archives at Wesleyan University. Kylin stayed in Middletown for fifteen years after he graduated... In 1990 a dispute erupted between the Senior society and Kylin’s group over which was the legitimate Mystical Seven. In a series of Argus editorials the Senior society based its legitimacy on its long history and ancient traditions while Kylin argued that the Spirit of the Mystical Seven had been lost after the Civil War and that his group was an attempt to recapture this original "Mystic Soul".- History of the Mystic Seven, Benjamin Wyatt Greene

"Recently (Wesleyan Chapter of Theta Nu Epsilon) has gotten itself back on its feet again, asserting its position as a national organization. It has both female and male members, and has held annual cocktail parties, or actually martini soirees. It also has no building, so there is no question of dining clubs and the like. For the past two semesters it has tried to get off the ground with a larger event, but to no avail. No doubt it will be making headlines soon though, especially since the society and its members walk that line between decorum and trouble." -Christopher Kylin, The Wesleyan Review, May 1990

"Whatever (n-a) cow pasture you were initiated in, you have no right or claim to the name Theta Nu Epsilon." - Taconicus (see above)

"Of the above, we can report that several of the locations were impressive or sentimental. The initiations at the stables were among the most fun." -Alpha Wesleyan's Theta Nu Epsilon Blog, May 20, 2008

This whole public thing is useless under these circumstances though. I'll live and let live, and wish those guys at Wesleyan the best. Can't tar a group cuz one person. And that's why they have the private message feature, right?

An utter lie.

First you didn't have the courage of your position to leave it up, and now you're lying about it.

Another lie.

Never happened. Never contacted a board manager. Lying again.

You have to live with your own character.

First, there was an intervening post that apparently Fratitude doesn't have the courage of his convictions to even leave anonymously posted.

Second, this guy comes up and posts this sort of garbage about your society, and lying to everybody here, wouldn't you want to be sure to respond directly to that?

Look, his original post was a lie, and then he had to resort to his ham-handed personal attacks because he couldn't defend his positions at all.

And, obviously, this isn't the first time that this guy has been a problem. he's been all over the internet with his garbage, and has just landed here now.

Read carefully what he didn't respond to:
None of that stuff exists. I know it, he knows it, and he couldn't face admitting it here. He had to try to attack one person instead. He can't post a link to anything to back up his claims---cause there's nothing there.

There's no society like he wrote about, and he knows it. That's lying.

But he is comfortable as hell lying to everyone here, trying to make them think there is some powerful secret conspiracy out there.

So you have Fratitude; posts a whopping lie, then posts personal attacks, and then doesn't have the courage to stand by even those. Then, he lies about what that post contained, and doubles the personal attacks in the bargain.

And on the other hand you have Theta Nu Epsilon whose website is publically available and criticizable. And you have my posts here, which I don't hide, and which may be colorful, but at least match reality.

(By the way, Fratitude, you have your facts in your personal attacks all screwed up, too, but it's not worth correcting you.)

Theta Nu Epsilon is a legitimate society, it really exists, it has real chapters, it has a website, it is entitled to hold its head up in the public forum. People like Fratitude can't stand that. They believe it is a deep dark conspiracy. Part Bilderberger, part Davos. They're so committed to that that they will never give up the fantasy. I'll give you four to one odds that Fratitude will never, ever, to his dying day, realize what the nature of Theta Nu Epsilon is. I've seen it before. I've seen a man believe in it for 40 years, and have it destroy his life, his personal finances, his family, because he KNEW thet Theta Nu Epsilon had to be the secret conspiracy of all conspiracies, and would never believe anything else.

The people who are running this little boys club in Nebraska or wherever, they're running a con game. They're taking initiation fees and dues from students, telling them that they are going to become a part of Theta Nu Epsilon and it's a powerful society, and then after some paddling they get initiated into squat. It's a fraud. Why the administrators at the University of Nebraska allow it to go on, I don't know.

But those conned guys are cornered into doing the same to the people next year, just so they don't feel as screwed as they have been.

So this Fratitude guy comes here and tries to lie to everyone here about the 'powerful secret society' he belongs to --- and drag the name Theta Nu Epsilon in the mud in the process. Do I post strongly against that? You bet I do.

In before the lock!

Sounds to me that someone who has already restored one society, (Mystical 7), is an ideal person to restore another, (Theta Nu Epsilon).


Sounds like you have a personal problem Fratitude, how much time have you devoted to following this guy's career?

This has nothing to do with the Mystical 7.

This is a fantasy. It just simply isn't true, and Fratitude knows it.

On another thread, I challenged Fratitude to come up with anything that would back this claim up. He couldn't. And I knew he wouldn't be able to.

There are no meetings of powerful Theta Nu Epsilon alumni, anywhere. There are no meetings of many chapters, anywhere. There is no influence weilded by anybody. It all doesn't exist. Fratitude is simply trying to con as many people as he can. This is all a lie.

Utterly untrue. Aside from whatever local thing might be happening in Alabama with an organization called The Machiene, (which is not even Theta Nu Epsilon), there is no powerful alumni influence in any Theta Nu Epsilon chapter.

The only legitimate Theta Nu Epsilon is the National, led by the Alpha Chapter. the Alpha Chapter has a continuous history at Wesleyan. The Alpha also absorbed the last remnants of the last known legitimate national, (the one listed in Baird's), in 1988. The Alpha Chapter also has the original papers of the society, and certain confirmatory documents executed by the founders of the society. the Alpha has created three other chapters. That is the extent of legitimate Theta Nu Epsilon. There is an organization at Berkeley that is descended from a Theta Nu Epsilon chapter, which does not contest the legitimacy of the National. A similar situation applies at Alabama.

There is a group of students at Nebraska. Nebraska had a legit chapter up to about 1908. A bogus chapter was created there in the 30's. This illegit chapter is an embarassment to Nebraska; it issues an annual sheet every year which labels other students 'faggots' and 'sluts'. It has had equally disreputable chapters at Kansas and Kansas State. This is what Fratitude represents.

Everything he claims about what he calls Theta Nu Epsilon is baseless. He knows it, and is doing it intentionally.

As you might have been able to tell, we have been through this before, and he has dragged this to greekchat.com


The truth is, Fratitude is a member of a fraud. And the National is unmasking that fraud, and that is really pissing him off.


Read the other thread in General Chat Topics > Chit Chat if you have any doubts.

There are plenty of Wesleyan M7 and TNE, as there have been plenty of DKE and TNE and Alpha Delt, Psi Upsilon, Beta, Eclectic and others.

TNE is a class society, not a fraternity, so there is no conflict in belonging to both.

(There were a lot of Eclectic. In the 80's, TNE had an annual event in the 3rd floor room of Eclectic.)

I won't stoop to name calling. If I had some advice it would be: Stop posting in multiple names. IT'S REALLY OBVIOUS WHEN YOU ARE A MEMBER JUST TODAY AND IT IS YOUR FIRST POST "Charles deGaulle". Geez...

Stop talking about charges when you know that regardless of what you are doing in Connecticut, who you are denouncing initiates chapters for $0. What they raise they use. (Isn't that what the "Alpha Chapter" does?)

Stop chasing everyone over the web who types "TNE", using legalese to administrators about use of your name and then denying it, when you are your worst enemy. Stop making judgments of others who you know nothing about. Stop tracking down everyone else to call names, slander and defame them. Stop getting on frat boards when by your own words you're a 50 y.o. non-frat.

And stop scouring the web to denounce everyone. (Okay the Masons kicked your Lodge out but it isn't because they are some crazy conspiratorial organization with new conspiracies hatching and folding each few years or as you say "Taconicus".) And if you are going to do all that still, don't use the use the same methods and words for people in ten different places, over and over again "Taconicus".

Of course its not you, it's everyone else. We're done Chris Kylin and deGaulle and Taconicus. You have another board to denounce and name call and slander, etc. We agree that you are doing a lot of work in Wesleyan. Good luck with what you're doing.

:confused:

IBTL

And to say:

1) Maybe Taconicus doesn't know about the meetings of powerful members because he/she isn't powerful and in the know. Maybe and maybe not.

2) I read the pin link and it's interesting how they traced the different pins. I was baffled at the mention of "illegitimate" and "rogue" chapters, though, but I guess it's important to keep track of those if you can.