And it's just as easy, if not easier to block, delete, expunge a pm/im or warn/block a certain person/user.

Also just as easy..roofle

Hey I have a question.....if the pms and ims that some of us have been getting are so ok, then what is the big problem with Hurlygurly's post? So she was mad!!!! I'm mad too!!!! Either we are offended by naughty talk or we aren't....there is not going to be a double standard here. I really feel bad that everyone is ready to tar and feather her for sticking up for me....she heard about my situation and it was just kind of the straw that broke the camel's back. I really wish I had started the thread myself. Maybe I would have used different language but hey....we have all popped off at one time or another. Just believe me when I tell you that she is not the kind of person who comes on here and starts flames and causes trouble....EVER. I am far more controversial than she is....so please everyone climb down off her back....she was just being a sister!!!!

Iowa....I am not really sure how to take your post about our symphony. I think all of us Chi Omegas are familiar with it. It is subject to interpretation....to me being womanly means standing up for myself and my fellow women and not allowing others to tear at my dignity. Being discouraged never, to me, means sticking by my principles even when everyone else seems to disagree, or seems to be jumping on a popular bandwagon. Obviously our symphony is public, not ritual, but I would venture to say that knowing what else is behind it, a Chi Omega is best equipped to interpret and use it.

Again, I am not suggesting or asking that any guys on here threaten anyone. All I am asking is that you don't support those who are acting inappropriately....but hey, even if you do, we'll survive.

Damasa, I don't think you have a very good memory, but that's fine. Go ahead and think what you want since you seem to have a bone to pick with me all of a sudden. :rolleyes: You did extend support to me. I didn't say that was the impetus for your posts on that thread. Big difference.

Seems like no matter what anyone on here says, you're determined to believe that Hurlygurly meant that EVERY GUY on here is an asshole, which is ridiculous. Your perception problems are not the focus of this thread. If you read what everyone else has said, it's been made clear that it isn't about every guy on this board. It's immature of you to think that. You are making some major generalizations about the intent behind what Hurlygurly said - like you're pulling at straws just to argue. ??? Furthermore, I've said it before and I'll say it again - THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT ONE POST, ONE IM, OR ONE PM. THIS IS ABOUT A TREND THAT IS GOING ON AND NEEDS TO STOP. You are being so myopic in your view, it's really frustrating.

Furthermore, there is nothing weak about posting under an alias. In this crowd, I think it goes without saying that posting a controversial topic on GC or going against the flow can turn into a witch hunt pretty damn quickly. I don't know why that's such a big problem for you. She didn't lash out at the guys on GC - she lashed out at whoever sent her friend and sister a rude/disgusting IM. You seem bound and determined to believe that she was directly insulting you and every other guy on GC, and that she wants you to help her, none of which is the case, I can assure you! Maybe you should read over her post again, Damasa.

NO ONE IS ASKING THE GC MEN TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS! LOL. This was posted as an FYI and no one has asked GC men for anything. Again, I don't know why you think that and are taking this as a personal request from someone who doesn't even know you.

Furthermore, HOW do you know that this person is not a GC Regular, that we DON'T KNOW them, and that they
And no, it never did occur to me that this thread shouldn't have been posted, because I'm glad it was. You have no proof to back up anything that you "guaranteed".

You know, maybe if you had posted, it would have been better? Maybe you could have worded it better or something? Of course we all lash out sometimes, but lashing out at an entire group of people is unacceptable. NOW, I wouldn't even want to know what the reaction would be if i were to say something like "some of you little b(#$*es" referring to ladies on gc. First, I don't think that, because i talk to a few girls on here. Second, even if I did, thats just uncalled for, especially because not every single person is subject to a generally made comment such as that.

In all, I believe that the person who started the thread at least knew that it was going to possibly cause drama, hence the posting under a newly created nickname. Take that for what it's worth.

p.s. you say that she never comes on here and startes flames and/or causes trouble? Like i said a gizillion times, the way she simply worder her statements caused drama. Then by telling "us guys" we had better straighten it out!!! OMG, yea, most of us didn't even know about it, or would even do such a thing, but we are required to "straighten it out?"
I'm not talking about dirty lanugage, finger pointing or double standards. I'm talking about invalid arguments that keep trying to establish a baseless point. Yet, there are others who have posted which I do understand. Like I also stated before, this person is definately not of caliber of the majority of the "doods" on the great gc, so why was the thread created in the first place? That's my major quam..think about it, it if is a cause by one, or a very very small minority, why is the outlash directed at the majority?

Damasa, you seem to be taking this awfully personally. If I didn't know better (and I know for a fact you are not one of the troublemakers) I would almost think you were feeling guilty about this for a reason. Now I know that isn't the case, but why are you having so much trouble understanding that Hurlygurly was not talking about ALL of you.....by saying "you assholes" she was referring to the group of guys (who knows EXACTLY who they are) that DO engage in this kind of crap. And guess what? THEY ARE EXACTLY WHAT SHE CALLED THEM! There is no reason for you to take offense at something that was not aimed at you, unless you feel that there is a reason that it might legitimately be aimed at you.

Damasa, you are generally a great contributor to GC. You are funny and interesting....nobody is trying to attack you, not Hurly,not TriDelta, not me. Please don't take this so peronally. This problem is not as small or as limited as some people would like to think. Those of us who have had incidents have talked to each other about it and we have made the startling realization that our numbers are a lot larger than we would like them to be!!! Please understand that it is a problem and something has to be done....if not by the GC moderators and administrators, than by us ourselves.

Let me get this out of the way, tridelta4ever, I have no bone to pick with, it would be obsurd to think otherwise, but that would be of a different matter. I have a very good memory indeed, agreed i did extend support to you, but in no way did i seek you out in order to do it, you pmed me first :) and it basically went from there.

It is simple really, the way the statement was worded can make an interpretation of many sorts, doing what you do, of all people should know that. :) On top of it, how did everyone become an expert in interpreting what hurlycurly is saying? I don't see her stating exactly what she meant?!! A little clarification could extend a long way. On top of that, she made generalization by implicating that the guys do something about it :) I argue on the fact that many other people arguing for her have no basis or valid point to their agruments, mere generalizations and unknown implications, but i'm not going to get all philosophical.
One thing I do understand is that, yes, it may happen quite a bit, but I don't really know that and I really do feel bad for some of the women that may be subjected to it, but what can we really do?! If the moderators can barely do anything, what are the regular posters to do?
As for me being frustrating, it's frustrating to interpret that a few of you are experts on the wordings of hurlycurly which i find amusing because all it is based upon is perception and opinion, and further, you aren't a male reading her initial comments. Like I said, i could only imagine the outrage that would stem from me stating something like" some of YOU little b#*$#es, which I would never do.

From her initial statments, she lashed out at more than just the person that sent her friend the im and that is perceived by her statements. She doesn't want us to help her?!?! Then what was the statement about "you guys better straighten this out, blah blah blah?!?!" Huh? Tell me again? Who should read over her post again?

Again, reread her post, about you guys need to straighten things out. An FYI doesn't look anything like what she posted :) I don't take personal requests from anyone that I don't know and further, like i said, are you an expert on her post? You may know her indeed, but you didn't post, and like i said, mere wording can cause a world of hurt. Clarification is all that is needed....not by people that claim to know what she was saying, but what she was saying. And I won't directly go to her, because I don't want to be "one of those weirdos" eventhough i know who she is, but that's beside the point.

Good point, the person could be a regular to GC, I overlooked that. You have no proof to back up what you say about her not implying things either, and the only thing i guaranteed was that she is using her other nickname, I didn't put a personal guarantee on everything :) For that, I dont need proof, why would I be "that guy" and be like, hey everyone, hurlycurly is so and so, that's uncalled for...

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(cracking knuckles)

(Insert slightly ungentlemanly comment here)

There are some females on GC that I find attractive, and I would like to go a couple rounds in the sack with if I were passing through your town. I really hope this tick turd hasnt hurt my chances of that. Sorry ladies, just keepin it real.

Ive been getting some pms and ims lately that have really been getting me a little po'd. I choked it up to the WAVE of greek nationals that are now on this site as registered users and I have not been responding to any pm's unless its one of yall. And yall know who yall are, so if yall need me, dont hesitate to pm me cause yall know id walk to hell and back for any of you.

Hey Hootie, if you cant fix your caps lock on your comp, feel free to contact me as I have a chainsaw that will fix that in a jiffy.

Did I just say jiffy?

Any harrassment that has been recieved is certainly uncalled for. And it sucks that it ruins the gc expierience for some cool people on here. Its sad that stuff like this happens on the internet but unfortunatly stuff does happen. Emailing the webmaster e-mail address here on gc would go a long way in letting john know what is going on. Ip addresses can be checked, etc.

I did feel that the original post in this thread wasn't as clear as what I started reading later in this thread. I am also not sure what the direction that this thread is going in would solve anything. Instead of being a warning thread, it has turned into an argument thread which devaites greatly from the point.

damasa, you miss the point over and over. We are talking about a problem and you are quibbling over a choice of words in describing it. What frustrates me is that you can't get past the semantics to the issue at hand.

I think when the phrase "some of you a-holes" was used it was meant as "if the shoe fits". If the shoe doesnt fit you then you ought to stop trying to put your foot into it.

Another thing too, since everyone I know here at gc would take offense to these pm's, im's, whatever.... don't post in the personal threads. If you get a harassing message, block it, report, it. We can't let stuff like this happen on gc and simply starting an argument thread isn't going to help

Yes, there is a point to it all, and I am sorry that someone had to receive a pm/im, whatever it was. What I find odd is that there are a few that are experts on the original thread, yes, you may know the person that posted it and know the circumstances.
MY point of view: I don't know the person, I don't know what she implied and by "quibbling over a choice of words" can make the difference in interpeting it correctly, or taking it as harsh words. I understand the issue at hand and it is truly sad, but to be honest, there isn't a whole lot many ppl can do, i have had a few awkward events on the net, i chalk them up to the "god I hope I don't get a msg like that again" and move on.
When you think about the phrase "some of you a-holes, that is exactly what you are thinking, an opinion, you take it one way, i took it another. Again, I don't know hurlycurly, like some of you seem to, so I don't know what she was truly trying to say, I was going on mere words. Which in all honesty, coming from a business world, words, expressions and gestures can mean the difference between a savvy business relationship and an utter fiasco. No way would I want to be perceived as a "net stalker type" at the same time, I'm in a sense trying to keep the "shoe" off of some of the other guys on gc. Most of the guys on here are hilarious, and are kewl as all hell to talk to....

wow - pure irony, damasa may be a big a%&hole but he doesn't stalk woman -

sorry but this thread has gotten ridiculous and someone's gotta add humour that's not from a southern-redneck-perspective

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Okay, everybody. I just read through all of the posts in this thread, so let me clarify a few points that caught my attention.

I think the main problem people originally had with the first post is that it was rather general. The person posting wasn't the one who received the nasty note from sexual deviant, therefore it was second-hand info from the very beginning.

That, combined with the fact that Hurlygurly is a new name on GC, is why a lot of people were skeptical as to the validity of the post. We're all a little too familar with psychos that create a flaming note as their first post just to create drama, and then sit back to enjoy the battle that ensues. So, please try to understand why the skepticism occurred with this thread.

If the person who actually received the notes had made the post, or even if Hurlygurly - a reputable, well-known GCer - had used her regular GC name, things might have not gone as far as they have. So, I offer this as a suggestion for future complaints:

Please, if you're having trouble with someone you think is from GC, report the problem immediately to a moderator and/or John Hammell. If possible, forward the note(s) you received to one of us so that we have every bit of info on the poster as you yourself do -- it makes it easier for us to find out who the person is and take steps to block him/her from bothering GCers in the future.

I realize that many of you are under the impression that the mods can't do anything to help you out in cases like this. The truth is, we can probably do more than you think. We can post the problem in the mod forum and draw attention to it that way - and John will see it there probably a lot quicker than he will notice it in Greek Life, Chit Chat or another GC forum. We can also "compare notes" to see if the current offender has anything in common with past offenders, and determine if it's a new "psycho" or an old one.

Also, by notifying us privately, we have a better chance of stopping the creep(s) because he/she won't be wise to the fact that he/she has been reported. By posting the thread in the open for everyone to see, it lets the offender know that someone is "on" to him/her and may make it more difficult for us to catch him/her.

By the way - I'm using both genders here because it's not just guys who have been sending nasty e-mails and PMs. I've gotten a couple of nasty notes from females myself, and they were just as disgusting as anything a male offender could write. A few other GCers have also.

As mods, we're here to help, so please take advantage of our presence. I can say, from experience, that I've received several complaints about certain GCers via PM, and have been able to get the offenders banned from GreekChat as a result. So notifying a mod directly DOES work. Please believe that. :)

Billy, Thank you for keeping it real, drama free, and making me laugh.

Erika - i am truly sorry that this happened to you b/c i know how youre feeling - its almost like being violated. when we can't stand on our own two feet, we have our sisters to lean on - and there's nothing wrong with that. but whoever did this, has 3 posts, has been on these boards for all of 2 months, and is so pathetic b/c they have to resort to online to manifest their sexual curiousities - theyre not worth dividing people.

That's better, damasa :)