Again, there are no ritual books in the LOC. If there are any, then it's something like DU that's not even secret. I'd heard the whole story too, about how ours was the only one not in the LOC, because Truman was pres. at the time. check out the link i posted above for the whole story.

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Steve Corbin
Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

according to Kappa Sigma's international offices, we are currently in the top 6 national fraternities in terms of number of initiated members, and also in terms of number of chapters (over 220,000 and 206) - but the exact numbers (for us, and for other houses) aren't up-to-date, so national just leaves it at that - top 6.

That doesn't really solve the puzzle, but I guess it's another piece.

I don't know how up to date this is, but at one point us Pikes held 203 chapters and 7 colonies across the U.S., and maintained the largest average chapter/colony size in the country, but as i said that may be old news.

Who are the crows? I've never heard of that term before.

I think SAE is one of the VERY strong groups nationally/internationally (damn canucks - jk). I'd be interested to know what your insurance limits are and what each undergrad pays for it. What did SAE pay out in shcolarships this year from their Eondowment. Kappa Simga gave more than $250k this year, which I was told was tops.

Curious.
Brad

Crows are the nickname for Alpha Chi Rho. One of my buddy is one over at STony Brook University.

Ah, thanks http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

Ah well
 

I dont really care where my fraternity falls on "the most people " catagory. Any Sig will tell you quality before quantity. I am however proud of Sigma Chi for our prosperity, and leadership on almost 250 campuses across America and Canada. There was a quote by David Letterman lately who said " 230,000" men cant be even close to wrong."
Just to humor you however this is my understanding of the top three in regardance to size.
1.TKE
2.Sigma Phi Epsilon
3.SIGMA CHI

For accuracy: Sigma Pi's badge is also in the shape of a cross:

http://secure.cartsvr.net/client_ima...gmaPiBadge.gif

Oh, and where did you dig up this old fossil of a thread?

Gentlemen, gentlemen! Don't you know that size doesn't matter?

You know you like them big you dirty hooker.

I love it when you talk dirty to me!

So is ATO's.

Man some of you people make me sick. It's sad how people are so impressed with numbers and statistics instead of the real spirit of a fraternity.

It doesn't matter which organization you join. In the end, you only can join 1. You can't try them all out once being a brother so it's pretty stupid to honestly think outside of statistics that you are truely greater than another. You might as well start comparing races and thinking "Hmmm well there are less jews out there than christians so christians are better, yay!".

The college I go to Sigma Alpha Mu is the best. We do the most on campus, we have some of the most quality guys, I wouldn't ever pick another fraternity if given another chance. I think some of the best experiences in college happened with them and I wouldn't ever take anything back.

There is TKE, Sigma Chi, KA, SAE and even at some point Kappa Sig. Kappa Sig's colony died. SAE doesn't compare to our chapter. TKE is good, they are great guys but the involvement we have with campus and the way we do things has been proven to be better.

Sigma Chi is brand new, they are doing good but in no way are they the same type of men as SAMS. The things they do don't develop character nor prove you fufill being a true man like a SAM. Maybe at other colleges its different. I dunno, I personally don't care because im not a Sigma Chi.

Sigma Alpha Mu has 60 chapters. Reason being is that it's founded as originally being Jewish. Trying to market that is hard. Especially in the south. SAM dominates at colleges like FIU, Texas, Rutgers, Indiana, West Florida, Cornell, etc.

Pretty much every fraternity is good in specific colleges. PIKE is amazing I heard at FIU. PIKE got kicked out of UCF, potentially UF and even UWF. I think the award to the most hazing incidents ever was SAE. If you count the number they had it's probably the most. Either way, it happens. You have bad organizations, you have good.

Statistically, SAM is weak. Statisically Sigma Chi, SAE, PIKE, TKE and Sigma Phi Eplison are the best. I really dont care. I love my fraternity, and that's what actually counts in the end. Im sure SAM will grow over the next 20 years. I'm not worried. Because what we produce is quality and even if that's limited to where and when, it's all that counts in my opinion.

Not to mention, at least I know at my college SAMs are trustable and great people. Facualty and Staff like us. Girls like us. Most commities are ran by us. That IMO is a win for some organization that statistically looks bad.

It's also a bit sad when someone starts going off on 8-year-old (or older) posts, very few of which actually related size to quality (some specifically said the two have nothing to do with each other), and most of which were posted by people who haven't been seen here in ages. ;)