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No, no, no, no, no.
I am a member of Alpha Sigma Alpha and while it's true Christ is one of our four exemplars, the other three are St Valentine (Catholic), King Asa (Jewish) and Hermes (Greek God). The title of exemplar means we value various of their qualities, not that our members need to practice their particular religion. I'll let members of the other groups read you on why your concept is super flawed. |
As far as Alpha Delta Pi is concerned, we were founded by women with a Christian faith but do not discriminate at all in the present day with religion. I'm agnostic and have been perfectly welcomed within my chapter, and we have other sisters who are Jewish or nonreligious in some way. Are there aspects of our ritual that clearly draw from Christianity? Yes, there are, but I was told that I could opt not to directly participate in those aspects if I didn't feel comfortable doing so.
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I apologize I didn't read the whole Alpha Sigma Alpha webpage or I would have seen the are other exemplars.
Your point does not say anything to deny that the rest of the groups openly have Christian roots...representing 23% of NPC. And you cannot deny that Jewish/African-American/Non-religious GLOs were created because at that time there was discrimination in Christian-rooted GLOs and those members were not accepted. |
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We're not talking about things that happened 100 years ago, we're talking about things that are happening now.
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Wikipedia isn't a first-hand source, you know. Some twit has gone crazy with KD's page.
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BGLOs are a different type of organization entirely. They use fraternalism as the framework of social justice. That is not what the other organizations do. This is a commonly held misconception, so please don't think I'm attacking you. But it's very important to understand that blacks being barred from membership in white organizations was not the CAUSE for the founding of black organizations. (Especially since only three of the nine NPHC organizations were even founded at white colleges in the first place.) |
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Beliefs and the NPC
Due to statements made presumably either during Ritual or in other application material and pledging processes...
1) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Hillel. (Jewish student group) 2) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Pagan Society. 3) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Agnostic Society. 4) Is there any NPC sorority that would feel uncomfortable with a chapter having the President of the College Atheist Society. (Uncomfortable is up to and including charter revocation for having broken national membership rules) |
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*I'm referencing open creeds here because that's what we can all see, rather than getting into ritual, but we all know the majority of NPC rituals contain scripture. |
And as I tried to update my post to say, espousing "Christian values" does not mean you are a Christian, i.e. believe Jesus is the Messiah. There are atheists and pagans out there who conduct their lives in a more Christian way than some self professed Christians do.
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You are completely missing the point.
That's something individual chapters have been said to do, NOT the entire organization. It's the opposite of what people are accusing AEPhi of. Sorry I had to so painstakingly spell that out for you. And once again, having what are referred to as "Christian values" does not mean you are a Christian. None of those "references" you cut and pasted says you have to be Christian to join, and Pi Phi's explicitly states that it's not necessary. |
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Being Christian or not for joining was never my point. But a Christian majority chapter can identify with Christian elements and use it as thinking it's okay to do Christian things. It's justification. I won't reveal my gender or GLO but Christian "things" are in my ritual. I don't want to specify what. I know we are not alone. If those "things" are in rituals and ritual is a backbone of a GLO, it's not surprising that chapters are ok to do "things" that might be "things" like pray to God as a group. If you look at a whole picture that seems normal when considering that they might have similar "things" in the ritual. You don't have to be Christian to join, but you have to do what ritual asks which can include a Christian oath, Christian creed, Christian principles, and Christian practices. |
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