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Right now.. with the Auburn BLACKFACE incident fresh on all QUES minds (even more so in Alabama), I wouldn't risk a White persons health right now by intaking him into Omega.

If the Bruhs saw a white boy walking around, right now, in para, I fear that the white boy would be physically confronted before he could even explain that he's truly a Bruh.

As for gays... no openly gay person can be intaken into Omega. Not saying we don't have gays in the Frat.. but, our 4 Cardinal Principals are: Manhood, Scholorship, Perserverance and Uplift .. and they are in THAT ORDER for a reason.

If you're gay.. you violate the 1st Card.. Manhood. So, unless you hide that fact, you won't get the chance to be intaken.

If you don't meet the 4 Cards, you don't get the 20 pearls...

hi all,

i've been having a very nice conversation with carnation about this whole thing, basically asking why all these folks who pming & e-mailing her about how upset they are about this thread haven't said anything on this thread yet. the reason i've gotten is that they either don't want to start anything, are afraid of the backlash, or are too nice to really reply.

she keeps bringing up the point that if a thread asking if whites want blacks & homosexuals in their orgs was brought up in chit chat/greek life that it would blow up. i keep telling her that's because for the most part we don't have a problem with voicing our opposing view, in essence, its not our problem that they are "too nice" or "too chicken" to say anything. she's seeing that stance as blaming the victim.

they're offended by this discussion & the comments by Dexter & Reds6 & Blackwatch & they want it to stop. they want the moderators to stand up and say that this conversation shouldn't happen. since this isn't my board to moderate, I'm deferring to Professor's judgement. mention was made that this discussion violates the greekchat terms of service.

i just wanted to bring this to y'all attention

YAY AXO ALUM!
 

Thank you for pointing your point of view. Maybe the other disgruntled folks who have been PMing Carnation will have the conviction to so the same.

Well, I'm one of the people who discussed this thread with carnation, so I guess I'm a coward for not standing up sooner. ;) I'll make up for that now.

Considering how many times I've been shot down on GC for stating that HWGLO's are not racist, I had originally just decided to keep my hands off the keyboard concerning this particular thread. I knew that all I'd get in return would be a bunch of comments to the tune of "whites shouldn't be in BGLO's because they don't understand our black culture" or "whites can't relate because they aren't discriminated against in this country" or, my own personal favorite, "I feel white people may try and DILLUTE our focus and try and use our resources to help EVERYBODY."

May I ask what in Hades is wrong with white people wanting to help "Everybody"????? :confused: Or a better question, what in Hades makes it right for blacks to only help their "own kind"? If whites tried to do that, we'd have the black community on our a$$ faster than we could blink. There would be massive protests, marches in Washington, boycotts, etc. And we'd be labeled racists in a heartbeat.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, folks. And quite frankly, I am highly offended that black GLO members can so calmly state that they would not want a white or homosexual person in their organizations while, in the very next breath, denounce a HWGLO for not offering a bid to a black female who went through Rush.

Quite frankly, I don't care one whit that BGLOs were originally founded during a time when discrimination and racism against blacks was common. The REASON I don't care is because, the last time I checked, the calendar said 2002 -- not 1902. Times have changed and our organizations need to change with them. Discrimination is not NEARLY as prevalent now as it used to be back in the days when our orgs were founded. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, mind you. But it is minimal when you compare it to 50 years ago -- heck, even 25 years ago.

My organization was founded by 6 white women who were studying to become teachers back in 1902 -- a time when women were discriminated against on a daily basis and no one thought anything of it. But does that mean that my organization should be dedicated solely to helping white women teachers in 2002??? Hell no. But, if we followed the same mentality that APhiAce and some other BGLO members seem to follow, then we would be doing exactly that -- and a lot of very deserving people would be missing out on the literally hundreds of philanthropic services that Delta Zeta sisters provide each year simply because they aren't the same "kind" of people as our founders were.

APhiAce says, "We as black folks need our resources dedicated SOLELY TO US! Its human nature to look after your own. If I was in a white organization, I would be thinking of how to use their resources to help my people. I find it hard to imagine that a white person would exclude their OWN people to help ours."

That comment is what separates my idea of philanthropy from APhiAce's version -- see, I don't think of whites as being my "OWN people". People are people, and I think we should help the ones that need it the most. If I used APhiAce's philosophy, then I suppose my local chapter of DZ would be looking for some new charities to support because, right now, our two main local philanthropies are an after-school program for low-income children in a predominantly black neighborhood and the Big Brothers/Big Sisters program. Can you imagine what kind of reaction we'd get if we went up to the BB/BS office and said, "We're willing to help out your organization, but we only want the white girls in your program." ???? :eek: :eek: :eek: Jeez, you want to get your name in the headlines fast in this country? Go do something like that while wearing the letters of an NPC sorority.

From the things I'm reading in this thread, and in others found in other BGLO forums, it sounds as though many black GLO members prefer the idea of keeping things "separate but equal" between the black community and the non-black communities. In case someone forgot - we tried that for a while, and the black people weren't too thrilled about it. In fact, if I remember my history book correctly, they called it discrimination. Go figure.

Thank you to all for your comments. I have not received any personal messages requesting cincture of this topic. Personally, I think the conversation is healthy. I do not specifically see an attack on or from any particular group or individual. In fact, I think it is ok for folk to say that they don't care to have whites, blacks, gays, etc. in their organizations. However, we must keep sight that there is a larger picture. The larger picture is that most members on GC do not represent the governing board of our organizations. We all know that each organization has mandates that don't allow us to practice any form of discrimination as it relates to membership. To my Frat Brothers, this type of discussion is a perfect example of how individuals gain perceptions of the mindset of our brotherhood. When you publicly post that you won't vote for gays, whites etc. it sends a message to others that view the post that we discriminate. In addition, as someone suggested, all hell would break loose if the White organizations said they would not accept Blacks for membership. I suggest that we be mindful that every Black person does not support the betterment of our people and many White folk have supported the development of Blacks.

What comments by Dexter were offensive? The one about me having a white frat brother who is one of the BEST brothers in my fraternity? Or was it the one about me not minding whites in the frat as long as they work hard to uphold the light? dzrose93 suggested that this is 2002 not 1902, so things have changed and racism doesn't exist. GET A CLUE! Are you so naive as to think that racism is as rampant today as it was back then? If so then open your eyes, come outside and join us in society. If you cannot comprhend that BGLO's were founded DESPITE segregation and racism, then you need not speculate as to why this topic is here. My frat was founded on the priciples of Manly Deeds, Scholarship, and Love for ALL mankind. I think that includesd whites too. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr ( who is a member of my frat) marched with people of ALL races for equality. Ask yourself what's the real reason why some are offended by this topic? Is it the fact that we are discussing some truth? or is it the fact that knowlegde is contagious?

Oh and if I am still offending some of you...SO WHAT!!! IF YOU KNOW ME YOU KNOW THAT I DON'T GIVE A DAMN!!!

Dexter, before you start criticizing me, perhaps you should re-read my post. NEVER did I say that racism doesn't exist in today's society. On the contrary, I willingly admitted that discrimination still occurs -- just not as much as it did in the past. I also noted that BGLO's were founded in a time when racism against blacks was rampant, so please don't try to twist my words.

As for the rest of your post - you just proved my whole point in why I originally did not want to post on this subject. Some people just don't want to hear any opinions that differ from their own, and they get far too upset when a person with a differing view makes some legitimate points. You don't give a damn if you offend someone with your own comments, yet you'd be one of the first to scream discrimination if you thought a white person was acting in a racist manner towards a black person. It's called being two-faced, and it's a trait that a lot of people have, no matter what color they may be.

On a more positive note, I want to say thank you to Professor and sphinxpoet for their posts. :)

DZROSES,

I am soooooooo tired of people such as yourself bringing up this "reverse discrimination" and "its 2002" issue. BGLO orgs target black communities. Honestly, do you really think that if some non-AA people were to come and participate (***NEWS FLASH*****THERE ARE NON-AA PEOPLE THAT LIVE AND WORK IN PREDOMINATELY BLACK COMMUNITIES!!!!), that a BGLO would turn them away????

Because no one, especially people such as yourself, wo9uld like to sweep racial discussions under the rug, we will never get past this. Guess what, it will be 3003 and folks will probably still be talking about this because of "don't talk about it" attitudes such as yours.

Ohhh, I'm just too upset right now to even finish my post......................

I've been reading this thread with interest so I'll add my two cents. In college I became friends with several Kappas in my dorm, and I lived in a suite with a Delta Sigma Theta Sister. I saw up close how committed to community service these orgs are. I was always impressed because despite the small size (fewer than 15 members), there was usually 100% attendence. The NPC and IFC orgs. had memberships of 40 to 85 and didn't do as many service projects as the NPHCs. These community service projects such as coat and clothing drives, voter registration, and tutoring children improved the entire community not one race.

I guess the problem here is lack of understanding of the purpose of the NPHC groups. I think that focusing on serving one racial group primarily is not 'reverse discriminaton' or bigotry. My understanding from my college experience is that the primary focus of the NPHC orgs is to improve society with a focus on the African American community. There is nothing wrong with that particularly when placed in historic context of the founding of both the NPHC orgs and charities. Many charities were started as a way of helping members of a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group. I think that as members of all GLOs we need to continue to support each other in our endeavors.

As far as membership goes, I remember that not all of the NPHC members were African American, and not all of my sisters were white. The thing about sexuality is that many people don't realize that they are gay until college. I know of several men who have pledged and then had this realization. Like it or not I am certain that there have been gays and lesbians in every GLO out there.

People don't care if your opinion is different, but somehow if someone ask for clarification (differs from what YOU say) then its all of a sudden a problem.

Honeykiss,

Yes, I do honestly think that if some non-AA people were to come and offer to participate in something benefiting a black community that a BGLO would turn them away. Want to know where I got this idea? Then read the posts previous to mine in this thread.

You've got MEMBERS OF BLACK GLOS stating for the record that they DO NOT want white people to be involved in their organizations which means, that NO, they don't want white people to be in a position to help out black communities. I suppose if the whites got out there and offered help on their own, then that's okay. But apparently for some of the black GLO members on GC, the whites can help out as long as they don't try to get "too" involved in the black culture (read: join a HBGLO). That sounds pretty racist to me. Kind of like telling a black parent at a predominantly white school that we'd love her help in manning a booth at the school fair, but we don't need her to join the PTA.

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You post tells me that you have probably never attended an event sponsored by a BGLO.

It this e-conversation is to continue it will be done with respect to differing views!!!! I think we all know that discrimination STILL exists. Black folk and Alpha has come a long way. I understand the comments of opposing views to be that BGLO should not make statements that they don't want White folk and gays in their organization. The fact of the matter is that we all and i do mean all greek letter organizations have gays, and a number of other races in our organization. additionally, i personally belive that if your organization has mission statement regarding the discrimination of gays and other races and you don't agree then i would suggest that your needs are no longer being met by your organization - - - - We need to stop saying we love XYZ if we don't respect and uphold the guidlelines of our organization. We all have a choice.

Actually, I have. But my point is that, although I may have attended an event sponsored by a BGLO, the comments that I've read in this thread have indicated to me that I would be most unwelcome if I ever tried to actually join a BGLO.

It's as if some of the black GLO members on GC have a line drawn in the sand that they don't want whites to cross. We can get close enough to help out philanthropy-wise on our own, but we're being told that it isn't okay to jump in headfirst and help out side by side as a member of an HBGLO. To me, that's wrong. It's as if you want your cake, but you want to eat it, too.

The perception that I'm getting from reading threads like this one is that blacks want equality in this country and don't want to be be discriminated against. However, some of them are discriminating against whites and don't see a problem with doing so. It's time for those people to decide: do they want to voluntarily and deliberately separate themselves from what they perceive as a "white" community and strive for the betterment of their own race only, or do they want to be treated equally as the whites and work together to better EVERY community?

Question for everyone:

The Boy Scouts of America also wanted to adopt a "no gay members" policy( which was upheld by the us supremem court) because they felt that it was a contradiction to what they stood for. Why is this "diiscrimination" ok to the eyes of many? I am going to assume that they will not be doing any service within the gay community or with any gay service orgs or programs.

From the Boy Scouts of America:
"More than 90 years ago, the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) was founded on the premise of teaching boys moral and ethical values through an outdoor program that challenges them and teaches them respect for nature, one another, and themselves. Scouting has always represented the best in community, leadership, and service.

The Boy Scouts of America has selected its leaders using the highest standards because strong leaders and positive role models are so important to the healthy development of youth. Today, the organization still stands firm that their leaders exemplify the values outlined in the Scout Oath and Law"