All that I have to say is AMEN soror

What you are saying can and probably is true, but one thing that you must consider is that if there are only a few sorors there then obviously they are not going to be able to do as much work as twenty can. Therefore, I look at it like this and I think everyon can understnad this one:

while you were a undergrad in school, you know that you had your "bird" classes and you hard classes. And I will tell you that the classes that you worked hard for and barely pulled a b out of gave you more satisfaction than those A+ bird classes. So basically..metaphors aside. If three girls can bring in four than that means they are doing great because they are out there working.

After reading this thread, I did some research just to see what Zeta Phi Beta Sorority was all about. I was impressed with the fact that this organization was not at all concerned with taking in new members. In the course of my research, I found some rather interesting information. It seems that ZPhiB is more interested in NUMBERS than anyone here cares to admit. The Zeta Phi Beta (inter)national website refers to a program called GOAL 2000 (under the heading of Chapter Management). It seems the purpose of the program is "having each region add a minimum of 2,000 members to the roster by the year 2,000." That sounds like a RECRUITMENT plan to me! I found nothing about actively recruiting new members on any of the other NPHC sorority websites. The ZphiB website also states that that there are currently 600 chapters in 8 regions. Lets see that's 8 regions times 2000 NEW members= 16,000 NEW members! Ok, when we divide that by 600 chapters, each chapter would have to intiate approximately 27 NEW members by 2000 (and that's the minimum). That sounded doable; until I started looking at chapter websites. MOST of the chapters I saw had initiated between one and ten new members over the last two years (assuming the boule is every two years). Even on the HBCU campuses the number was rarely over 15! So, by "deliberately" restricting the number on each line to a small number, many Zeta chapters probably haven't met the recruitment goals set forth by the national office. Alpha Chapter must be taking up a LOT of slack!

I am not presenting any of this to be disrepectful to the members of Zeta Phi Beta. It's just that the FACTS do not bear out what I've read from the Zetas in this discussion (especially from the Zeta who implied that AKA and Delta have no sisterhood because they are large organizations). While I am sure ZPhiB only takes QUALITY women, QUANTITY IS IMPORTANT to Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, your national office says so!

Just the facts>

No one implied that AKA and Delta do not have sisterhood because they have more members. She said that she felt it was hard for a new intake line to bond with so many members. AKA and Delta have a strong sisterhood.

On our International website, you read about chapter management, good research BUT nowhere does that say new members. It says that one of the overall objectives is:

"To implement GOAL 2000 by having each region add a minimum of 2,000 members to the roster by the year 2,000."

I assure you that attaining numbers are not even close to the top of the list of Zeta's goals. I will not delve any farther than that.

I commend you for doing your research. The International website is a good portal of information about Zeta, but it is not at all comprehensive of Zeta's goals.

ZetaAce

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ZetaAce:
[b]Just the facts>

No one implied that AKA and Delta do not have sisterhood because they have more members. She said that she felt it was hard for a new intake line to bond with so many members. AKA and Delta have a strong sisterhood.

On our International website, you read about chapter management, good research BUT nowhere does that say new members.

Well now I am confused. Doesn't the statement "adding 2000 members to the roster"
imply that those people are not currently ON the roster and therefore NEW MEMBERS? If you are currently a member aren't you already included on the roster? Does your website only count ACTIVE members in the number of members?

http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif Thank you for your interest.However in your mathematical equation, you left out quite a few variables that you do not have...nor should you have. For starters,the National website is an outline...not the gospel.

My sorority has effective communication modules that need not be expounded on publically. Since, you are not a member, you have but a bird's eyeview of the broad scope of the plan. I am sure you do not expect myself or any of my Sorors to engage in petty banter of what you "think" are facts. As I would not sit here and debate any member of the other 3 sororities about the details of their National programmatic thrusts in "un-informed query" I would ask that you give the same respect to mine.

ZetaAce


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I don't see why any sorority would not be happy about adding to their numbers? Maybe I am just naive here. Panhellenic sets our quota- which is usually around 65 girls. It was good to have that many because it teaches you how to work with many different personalities. This is helping me in finding a job, because I have learned how to work as a team. And there is absolutely no reason to be bashing Zeta Phi Beta- I go to a private baptist university, and Zeta (fairly new) has grown really fast and is doing great things for the university and the community-that's the point of sisterhood, working together, making a difference on your community, and having fun! and if you are going to take the time to look up someone's by-laws, please don't use them against them. It's hard to understand someone's bylaws, creed, symbols, etc. when you aren't in the organization. So you could be apt to interpret things wrong, thereby losing credibility.

I have two questions.
1. Why do you think pledge classes aren't intended to do the same thing?
*****
Of course they are intended to, but it is difficult just to get 5, 10, or 15 women working together and getting to know each other, I dare not imagine 100.
*****
2. What do you percieve to be the difference between a pledge line and a pledge class?
*****
The bonding is different. I am not saying that 40-200 women can not bond in some way, but the closeness is just not the same, and you wouldn't understand unless you had a smaller line.
*****
I kind of always thought that lines and classes were pretty much the same.[/B]
*****
nope they ARE NOT the same.

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Kappa you said....

The truth is all Sororities are interested in the growth of their membership whether they publicize it or not. The truth of the matter is, despite what you have interpreted to be our goals, we focus on quality and not quantity. I would rather have 5 hard working Sorors anyday over 100 dazed and confused ones.....Also, nowhere on our National Website are our by-laws and neither it this tenet of our Grand's 7 point plan of action. But all and all I agree with u Kappa-97%

oh, I was replying to both the Kappa and the justthefacts in the previous post.

RoadKitten

My pledge CLASS only had THREE girls. So I'm still confused as to what the difference is between a line and a class. Can you give examples of how they differ? If you "aren't allowed"/can't, I understand. But I'd really like some clarification.

You refered to pledge classes of 40-200 girls. Do you go to a school with a huge greek system?
At my school 20 would be considered a huge class. The school is huge but has a small greek system in numbers but large in chapters (8 NPC, 10 IFC, 4 Asian GLOs, 3 Hispanic GLOs, and representaion of most of the BGLOs)

LADIES I SEE THAT THIS FORUM HAS TAKEN OFF. HEY DO NOT LOSE THE LOVE OKAY. MOST PEOPLE HAVE BEEN POSTING POS. BUT SOME ARE DIPPING TO THE NEGATIVE. DON'T LOSE THE LOVE. TRY AND REMEMBER WHAT WORKS FOR SOME ORGS. OR EVEN INDIVIDUAL CHAPTERS MAY NOT WORK FOR OTHERS, AND IN THIS CASE,THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT BAD OR WRONG. IF BIG NUMBERS WORK FOR SOME AND SMALL WORKS FOR SOME HEY LONG AS IT IS WORKING. DO NOT LOSE THE LOVE! THATS JUST MY 18.12 CENTS.(SMILE)

Correct me if I am wrong, but the idea that NPC sororities have huge pledge classes is one of the biggest misconceptions about NPC rush. I went to a predominately white college, so I got to see some of the 'goings on' and although the Rush period starts as one big group, the pledge classes (i.e. after bids are given out) are much smaller.

SoCalGirl>The main difference between pledge lines and pledge classes are the traditions. Also, there are some schools where 50+ pledge lines are the norm. I've never heard of a line or pledge class with 200.

Like prettygyrl said, what works for some orgs might not work for the others. Shucks, what works for one CHAPTER might not work for another! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/smile.gif

ZetaAce

Soror Zetaace...I have heard of a BGLO line with 200 or 201 (something like that). I am sure that it does not happen often but on occassion some folks have VERY large lines (over 85 people).

P.S. I am the talkative (chatty) old school Soror that y'all love so much on spot for the true blue sorors. Don't say my name here. I used to be kinder and gentle, now I am lovey dovey.

Nice nickname Lovey Dovey! http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/cool.gif

ZetaAce

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