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Drolefille 05-14-2011 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2055874)
Lame, right? For some reason it was the first thing thing that came to mind.....
Because you're being misogynistic.


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So what was the "shitty" argument? I was just wondering if we can trust a bunch of 19 year olds to make better decisions than the "adults", especially when those decisions effect policy of other GLO's. You're the one who lost it and flew off the handle...but than "knowing" you i'm not surprised.

It is your MO.
Your shitty argument was comparing assault to 'beligerent' sorority women.
Oh and the misogynistic "Bitter Betty" comment. That was shitty too. Complaining about the imaginary wrongly accused men when this was created because of actually assaulted women is bullshit at its most basic.

You seem to mistake 'calling you out on your bullshit' with 'flying off the handle.' I really don't think you're even trying here.

This is not about someone reporting assault to panhel rather than to the campus, the fraternity, or to the police. But instead it is the sorority women saying that they will not associate with groups that fail to punish/remove men who assault women. And it is a great idea.

It's so surprising they managed to think of it, I bet at least 25% of them were on their periods at the time.

PiKA2001 05-14-2011 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 2055924)
Because you're being misogynistic.




Your shitty argument was comparing assault to 'beligerent' sorority women.
Oh and the misogynistic "Bitter Betty" comment. That was shitty too. Complaining about the imaginary wrongly accused men when this was created because of actually assaulted women is bullshit at its most basic.

You seem to mistake 'calling you out on your bullshit' with 'flying off the handle.' I really don't think you're even trying here.

This is not about someone reporting assault to panhel rather than to the campus, the fraternity, or to the police. But instead it is the sorority women saying that they will not associate with groups that fail to punish/remove men who assault women. And it is a great idea.

It's so surprising they managed to think of it, I bet at least 25% of them were on their periods at the time.
You do know that YOU are the one who brought up the whole period thing right? Like I never would have even wrote it had it not been for you bringing it up first.

And apparently only men are capable of assault...interesting to know :rolleyes:

Drolefille 05-14-2011 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2055928)
You do know that YOU are the one who brought up the whole period thing right? Like I never would have even wrote it had it not been for you bringing it up first.

And apparently only men are capable of assault...interesting to know :rolleyes:
Yeah but you know how those bitter betties are, always convincing their organizations and all other panhel orgs to stop associating with fraternities.

Gee, seems like this is the problem on Dartmouth's campus, feel free to take it up with the fraternities why they don't have the same policies towards sororities.

Keep trying. As long as you think mental illness and periods are legitimate insults, you're still in the pathetic zone.

PiKA2001 05-14-2011 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 2055930)
Yeah but you know how those bitter betties are, always convincing their organizations and all other panhel orgs to stop associating with fraternities.

Gee, seems like this is the problem on Dartmouth's campus, feel free to take it up with the fraternities why they don't have the same policies towards sororities.

Keep trying. As long as you think mental illness and periods are legitimate insults, you're still in the pathetic zone.
Just drop it already. You don't always have to get the last word in. You read into things too much and get so defensive. What's the matter? You never even really get into the meat of things, you just launch personal attacks. So many threads go sour when you're around.

Drolefille 05-15-2011 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2055933)
Just drop it already. You don't always have to get the last word in. You read into things too much and get so defensive. What's the matter? You never even really get into the meat of things, you just launch personal attacks. So many threads go sour when you're around.
LOL @ bolded.

So, you can't defend anything you said. Good to know.

PiKA2001 05-15-2011 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 2055936)
LOL @ bolded.

So, you can't defend anything you said. Good to know.
Not when you misconstrue what I say. I haven't been getting much sleep lately so maybe I'm not getting my point across right, but I'm not saying what you seem to think I'm saying.

Drolefille 05-15-2011 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2055940)
Not when you misconstrue what I say. I haven't been getting much sleep lately so maybe I'm not getting my point across right, but I'm not saying what you seem to think I'm saying.
Fair enough, you might not have meant to, and if you clear it up, I'd be glad to read and try and re-understand what you're saying.

But really you ran down the personal attack lane with that comment, and then tried push it off on me (along with the Drolefille, Destroyer of Threads thing, for which you give me far too much credit.) I really don't dislike you PIKA, I'm just not going to run away because you think I'm "off my meds." And when anyone goes down that road, their point becomes pretty moot.

33girl 05-15-2011 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2055904)
I wasn't talking about sorority or fraternity alumni groups, I was just wondering why the police or the uni wouldn't be the ones stepping in as the primary decision makers in these assault cases. Was this guy even charged with anything? Any fraternity, and hopefully university, worth their salt should expel a student with an assault charge filed against him/her by another student.

The idea that Suzy Sorority might feel more obligated to report her assault to Panhel over the police doesn't sit well with me.
Gotcha. I just didn't understand where you were coming from. :)

I'm guessing there is an overall reluctance to report things to the police as they'll just use it as an excuse to be even more up the Greek system's ass than they already are. People self-police to avoid that involvement. However, if somone threw a freaking APPLIANCE at me, screw that, I'm calling the cops. :p

flirt5721 05-16-2011 02:16 PM
From the Panhellenic Presidents
http://thedartmouth.com/2011/05/16/opinion/sandmeyer

An explanation of what they are trying to accomplish and they also acknowledge that the policy needs work.

exlurker 05-16-2011 05:47 PM
From the Monday May 16 postings on The Dartmouth's site:

Comments from students about possible guidelines / standards, and so on:
http://thedartmouth.com/2011/05/16/opinion/shortanswer

knight_shadow 05-16-2011 06:00 PM
From the first article:
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From now on, if we become aware of an alleged assault or threat committed by an affiliated student, we will notify his or her organization, after which the organization has 24 hours to initiate an investigative response. If the organization fails to do so, all eight Panhellenic sororities will cancel any joint events with that organization until it has taken action and finalized a response. In addition, if an organization becomes aware of an alleged assault or threat and does not communicate with us, we will consider their silence a violation of the transparency needed for Greek officers to ensure the safety of their members. In this event, we will suspend joint programming with that organization until internal procedures are finalized.
:rolleyes:

From the second article:
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I don’t know what that standard should be — though it seems unfair that the Panhellenic presidents can make their decisions without first conducting a private hearing of the involved parties. Perhaps sororities should wait until the Judicial Affairs committee makes its own decisions before they act
Agreed. As KSig said earlier, if this is a criminal matter, the proper authorities need to be the ones handling this.

33girl 05-16-2011 06:45 PM
What if two girls from two different sororities have a slap fight? What then? How will they be held accountable? Are they not permitted to have mixers?

Oh, and IMO this is a really stupid move to make on a campus that has open parties. No mixer? Fine. We'll invite all the unaffiliated girls we invite to our other parties anyway.

Drolefille 05-16-2011 07:51 PM
I'm still ok with it. If the fraternities want to have an open party then bully for them.

33girl 05-17-2011 01:58 AM
I'm just saying I think the sororities may be overestimating the impact this action will have.

Drolefille 05-17-2011 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 2056451)
I'm just saying I think the sororities may be overestimating the impact this action will have.
In a lot of ways the result doesn't matter. The fact that they're standing up and saying 'No' together does.


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