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Drolefille 08-01-2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1961702)
Thanks for the authoritativeness.

I didn't say you had to tell him to fuck himself, I said it's reason to. I really shouldn't have to put "in my opinion" in front of everything.


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Ah yes - the CBO. I'll trust their numbers as soon as they stay consistent - you have to go all the way back to early 2010 to find the office swapping numbers, missing marks by hundreds of millions due to mistakes, and generally conceding that the math for health care was too complex for them to figure in any reasonable fashion.

I have no problems with the fine folks in the CBO - I don't doubt their earnestness, but I do doubt their ability. If they had the talent to forecast for Goldman, they'd be working for Goldman. So I'll stand by my point and appeal to the law of unintended consequences.
So your argument is "it might cost more" when the only change in enforcement is the length of the sentencing?

PiKA2001 08-01-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1961617)
Oh no. However will I fill my life.

Ever think about getting a JOB?

Drolefille 08-01-2010 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1961750)
Ever think about getting a JOB?

Never. Thought hadn't crossed my mind.

What's your next witty comeback?

PiKA2001 08-01-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1961753)
Never. Thought hadn't crossed my mind.

What's your next witty comeback?

No i'm serious

Maybe if you paid taxes your arguement about wanting to save taxpayer money would come off as being more sincere. ;)

ok, i'm done for realz this time. Must.Not.Feed.The.Drolle.

AOII Angel 08-01-2010 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1961759)
No i'm serious

Maybe if you paid taxes your arguement about wanting to save taxpayer money would come off as being more sincere. ;)

ok, i'm done for realz this time. Must.Not.Feed.The.Drolle.

Who's the DROLLE?
Just wondering.;)

Psi U MC Vito 08-01-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1961759)
No i'm serious

Maybe if you paid taxes your arguement about wanting to save taxpayer money would come off as being more sincere. ;)

ok, i'm done for realz this time. Must.Not.Feed.The.Drolle.

So she can only say killing people is wrong if somebody tried to kill her? WTF is wrong with you.

Drolefille 08-01-2010 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1961759)
No i'm serious

Maybe if you paid taxes your arguement about wanting to save taxpayer money would come off as being more sincere. ;)

ok, i'm done for realz this time. Must.Not.Feed.The.Drolle.

But see, I'm not serious. Because "get a job" and "get a life" are incredibly pathetic, along with "just trolling to piss you off." Sad.

My "arguement" isn't actually about saving money, that's a fringe benefit of removing a racist and reactionary law. Also thanks for showing your ignorance of taxes along with your ignorance about drug use.

If only you'd come to this conclusion before you'd posted your ignorance in the first place.

KSig RC 08-01-2010 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1961712)
So your argument is "it might cost more" when the only change in enforcement is the length of the sentencing?

No - my argument, as stated earlier: if a main reason for reducing sentencing is to save money, that savings will likely not be realized to the extent that you would expect by simply subtracting that many prisoners from the existing system.

For me, the racial and socioeconomic disparity is enough reason to change the laws on its own - but it still doesn't hurt to take a skeptical eye to any claims, right?

For example, this:

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My "arguement" isn't actually about saving money, that's a fringe benefit of removing a racist and reactionary law.
I'm not quite convinced that the fringe benefits are realizable. Seems like a fine point of discussion.

Drolefille 08-01-2010 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1961787)
No - my argument, as stated earlier: if a main reason for reducing sentencing is to save money, that savings will likely not be realized to the extent that you would expect by simply subtracting that many prisoners from the existing system.

For me, the racial and socioeconomic disparity is enough reason to change the laws on its own - but it still doesn't hurt to take a skeptical eye to any claims, right?

For example, this:



I'm not quite convinced that the fringe benefits are realizable. Seems like a fine point of discussion.

Fair enough, I think that removing mandatory minimums is more likely to save money than not, either way it's the RIGHT thing to do. And that matters more than the ancillary claims.

KSig RC 08-01-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1961789)
Fair enough, I think that removing mandatory minimums is more likely to save money than not, either way it's the RIGHT thing to do. And that matters more than the ancillary claims.

I agree - yet the ancillary claims are made . . . it's the fight against talking-points logic and lack of critical eye that we're waging here.

PiKA2001 08-01-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1961769)
But see, I'm not serious. Because "get a job" and "get a life" are incredibly pathetic, along with "just trolling to piss you off." Sad.

My "arguement" isn't actually about saving money, that's a fringe benefit of removing a racist and reactionary law. Also thanks for showing your ignorance of taxes along with your ignorance about drug use.

If only you'd come to this conclusion before you'd posted your ignorance in the first place.

I'm not ignorant at all, I'm just fucking with you. The funny thing is you are actually taking it serious when I've posted otherwise in this thread and other threads. You really need to take my posts with a grain of salt, but your love of controversy and pushing your nerd views on others while always trying to be "right" is blinding you of that.

You love when people troll, hell you even dedicated a thread trying to "out" them. While I might screw around on here it's good in nature, you try to take the self-righteous angle as if your shit doesn't stink. You have no right calling others sad or pathetic.

Drolefille 08-01-2010 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1961792)
I agree - yet the ancillary claims are made . . . it's the fight against talking-points logic and lack of critical eye that we're waging here.

Aren't most things run through the CBO though, whatever your opinions on them,

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1961794)
I'm not ignorant at all, I'm just fucking with you.

No, you've repeatedly shown yourself to be pretty ignorant about a variety of topics.
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The funny thing is you are actually taking it serious when I've posted otherwise in this thread and other threads.
No, I'm not really, you're just an asshole.

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You really need to take my posts with a grain of salt, but your love of controversy and pushing your nerd views on others while always trying to be "right" is blinding you of that.
Blinding me of the fact that you're an asshole? No, not really. If you choose to say ignorant things, I'm still going to call you out on them because you might infect others.

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You love when people troll, hell you even dedicated a thread trying to "out" them.
There's fun trolls and annoying ones, there's assholes and crazies. It takes all sorts. Doesn't make it a good thing to do.

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While I might screw around on here it's good in nature, you try to take the self-righteous angle as if your shit doesn't stink.
There really was nothing "in good nature" about what you said.

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You have no right calling others sad or pathetic.
I have every right. And trolling for kicks is pathetic. So is dehumanizing people. Your defense of your trolling is also... wait for it... pathetic.

PiKA2001 08-01-2010 04:55 PM

You love it, I can tell by your tone.

And if anything I posted "infected" anyone or someone actually took it to heart they had problems to begin with.

Drolefille 08-01-2010 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 1961815)
You love it, I can tell by your tone.

And if anything I posted "infected" anyone or someone actually took it to heart they had problems to begin with.

But they might be saved, there's not anything wrong with pointing out that you're being a judgy classist asshat. Sometimes people actually accept new information and re-evaluate their opinions.

Keep on digging that hole though. :rolleyes:

PiKA2001 08-01-2010 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1961818)
But they might be saved, there's not anything wrong with pointing out that you're being a judgy classist asshat. Sometimes people actually accept new information and re-evaluate their opinions.

Keep on digging that hole though. :rolleyes:

Will you save me? I don't want to be a judgy classist asshat anymore :(


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