Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1912597)

That would make a lot more sense. Thanks.

I know that back in my day I would have rather DIED than told parents or teachers about being bullyed - but it was such a different era. The computer is as much a part of these kids' lives as TV was ours - just turning it off really isn't an option unless you want to completely divorce yourself from society. As others have said, it's not like when you could come home, lose yourself in TV or radio or a book, and forget about it for an evening and steel yourself to face another day. It's like how a lot of grown people can't ever leave their job behind because of cell phones, PDAs & computers. Not only that, I think seeing it written down just makes it 100x more hideous.

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1912589)

This is a "contagion effect."

All of these kids don't have diagnosable and documentable mental and emotional disorders that contribute to their suicide response. Many of them have observed that suicide is a "quick fix" and (as is the case in many suicides, particularly for certain age groups and for females more than males) some of them may've been crying out and attempting suicide but no one found them and saved them before they killed themselves.

These are children, so I expect for them to be extremely short sighted, of little faith, and selfish (or even perceivably cowardly) in most endeavors. Therefore, when buffers are weakened or absent in their lives, it "makes sense" that more kids are choosing suicide when they feel there are no other quick fixes. Family only matters but so much for kids--kids get to an age where it seems as though they'd rather be liked by their peers than anything else. It is sad because fast forward a few years and they could've said what a lot of people say, which is "I remember when I was 10 and I was bullied--I was tormented. I was soooo depressed...thank God I got over that hurdle and didn't harm myself or others."

Suicide increases with age and is highest for those over the age of 50, so it's really interesting when suicide rates increase in the younger age groups. There are a number of explanations for this.

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1912601)

...if you do the research....

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1912602)

I conduct quantitative and qualitative research in suicide and self-harming behaviors. I also attend symposiums where people from different fields and approaches to the study and treatment of suicide debate and share their take on suicide.

What now? ;)

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1912604)

Not talking about suicide as a stand alone...

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1912604)

So since we are all part of the problem or at least contributors, we need not throw away folks or be insensitive to these issues; could be our loved ones next. And I'm just speaking generally. We are so quick to be insensitive to other human beings or shell out blame when the issues don't personally impact us.

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1912606)

Suicide is never a stand alone. Isn't that what you're saying, afterall? ;) Therefore, researching and discussing suicide would include discussions and evaluations of some social, mental, and emotional correlates.

This doesn't mean that everyone agrees that all suicides are a result of mental and emotional disorders. I obviously do not.



Surely you didn't get this from my post. If you did, it is because of your assumptions of my tone and meaning.

Never make assumptions because you don't know whether the person you disagree with has already been personally impacted. But, at the same time, you don't have to be personally impacted by everything to know about it.

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1912598)

Comments like this are very insensitive and shows a lack of understanding. Just like adults some teens (and children for that matter) suffer from clinical depression (most don't even know it) and some folks were born this way, with an unbalanced brain chemistry that may not allow them to see things as rationally as you or be as positive as others. Such problems are made worse by environmental issues and poor nutrition, which we can all agree is greatly impacting adults and children in our society. Whether a choice or not, most people do not choose to committ suicide over such things so obviously something is wrong. Let's not invalidate an experience (which human beings love to do) just because we can't personalize it. Also, whether a child can "man up" or not will depend on these factors as well as their upbringing.

Originally Posted by srmom (Post 1912608)

Parents wanted kids punished by school, not enough response, so they went to the cops. What was the punishment? Supervised counseling :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by srmom (Post 1912608)

http://cbs11tv.com/local/school.bull...2.1601141.html

Here is a case where the boy "manned up" and dealt with it, everyone doing the appropriate thing, talked to his parents, parents talked to administrators, etc. yet the shithead bullies still didn't stop until the kid ended up in the emergency room with a torn rectum from a wedgie.

Parents wanted kids punished by school, not enough response, so they went to the cops. What was the punishment? Supervised counseling :rolleyes:

Boy, that's gonna show them.

As to the situation with this poor girl who committed suicide and the 9 bullies.

I wonder how the parents of the bullies are feeling now? From things I've read online, these kids had horrific facebook pages, with one of the girls brother's status saying, "N****** suck, White Power!" Lovely. Real paragons of virtue, these ones.

Regardless of the eventual punishment, be it jail time or "supervised counseling", these kids lives are ruined. In this day and age of Google, with your history following you forever, they'll be plenty punished when they cannot repair their reputations, or get a job.

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1912569)

Yes, if only those stupid kids would just act and think like adults.

Maybe after we can get all adults to do that we can start expecting it of kids.

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest (Post 1912609)

I am careful not to conclude "all" regarding anything since you can never be too sure and no, I didn't get that from your post. Just speaking generally and actually had another post in mind.

Originally Posted by srmom (Post 1912608)

http://cbs11tv.com/local/school.bull...2.1601141.html

Here is a case where the boy "manned up" and dealt with it, everyone doing the appropriate thing, talked to his parents, parents talked to administrators, etc. yet the shithead bullies still didn't stop until the kid ended up in the emergency room with a torn rectum from a wedgie.

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Originally Posted by Prettyface08 (Post 1912612)

Were their names published? Just wondering, because if not, how will they be punished by their reputation or by not getting a job. If it isn't on their records or in their background checks how will people know them from a can of paint?

Originally Posted by Ch2tf (Post 1912617)

Yes, some of their names have been published, I believe 6/9 at the very least.