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Alumiyum

08-17-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by sunnygirl2 (Post 1913644)

the simplest answer:

the average minority will always have a harder time getting a bid at a southern school versus the average caucasian. that's just how it is

i don't know your stats/ecs/connections though, so you may have a much better chance that the "average minority"

I disagree strongly since it's such a general statement. On some campuses it is not harder at all. It depends on the campus. I can definitely think of a few where it probably is extremely hard, but I also know of a few where it doesn't seem to make a difference. (In other words, that's an overly simplistic answer and isn't true for all schools in the south.)

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1969788)

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Am I glad I rushed? Sure, it was still a good experience, and I did get to meet a lot of new people that way, even though there was clearly something fishy going on there. Would I recommend that you rush? If you want to, go for it. Just be aware that there's a good chance you won't get in because you're Indian.

You do not know whether or not your race was the reason you didn't get a bid.

OHNOITSJESS

08-17-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1969788)

Alright, let's be fair, I did see one Indian girl in a sorority when I was rushing, but she was in one that wasn't very good.

:rolleyes:

33girl

08-17-2010 12:10 PM

Oh, I missed that little comment. That clears things up.

I love when people say "I didn't get a bid because of _________" and then say something like that. Assholery is an equal opportunity employer, people.

GTAlphaPhi

08-17-2010 12:44 PM

Firstly, I'm not denying that being a certain ethnicity or not being a certain ethnicity can cause impediments when one wants to join some chapters of GLO's (this includes NPC, NPHC, etc.) at some campuses at some points in time.

The XYZ chapter at West Cost University may not be welcoming to a certain ethnicity, but the XYZ chapter at East Coast University may be super-welcoming. Also, the trends of said chapter at West Coast and East Coast University may change over time (and obviously, the people doing the actual recruiting will change) and in ten years , you may see the opposite trends at these schools. The point is, times change, people's feelings change, and perhaps most importantly, student body demographics change (especially at public universities).

I just wanted to point out that the recruitment classes at UT Austin and many Texas/SEC schools are so incredibly legacy-heavy (where many girls are double, triple, or even more, and often chapter legacies on top of that). It's just a fact that Indian Americans and other Asian Americans generally don't have deep-rooted GLO traditions in their families (yet!).

All else being equal, a non-legacy being picked over a double legacy is just not realistic. Yes, all familial Greek roots have to start sometime and somewhere, but Texas just isn't a promising place to do that. Can a non-legacy (of any ethnicity) beat out a Texas triple-legacy (who's well-qualified in her own right) for a bid? Sure, it can happen, but said non-legacy had better have Einstein's brains, Jerry Lewis's enthusiasm for philanthropy, Miss Universe's looks, George Clooney's [perceived] personality and charm, and other talents/accomplishments as well (performing arts, athletics, etc.). You can work out the probability of that on your own.

For the record, I'm an Indian-American born and raised in the South.

AOII Angel

08-17-2010 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GTAlphaPhi (Post 1970403)

Firstly, I'm not denying that being a certain ethnicity or not being a certain ethnicity can cause impediments when one wants to join some chapters of GLO's (this includes NPC, NPHC, etc.) at some campuses at some points in time.

The XYZ chapter at West Cost University may not be welcoming to a certain ethnicity, but the XYZ chapter at East Coast University may be super-welcoming. Also, the trends of said chapter at West Coast and East Coast University may change over time (and obviously, the people doing the actual recruiting will change) and in ten years , you may see the opposite trends at these schools. The point is, times change, people's feelings change, and perhaps most importantly, student body demographics change (especially at public universities).

I just wanted to point out that the recruitment classes at UT Austin and many Texas/SEC schools are so incredibly legacy-heavy (where many girls are double, triple, or even more, and often chapter legacies on top of that). It's just a fact that Indian Americans and other Asian Americans generally don't have deep-rooted GLO traditions in their families (yet!).

All else being equal, a non-legacy being picked over a double legacy is just not realistic. Yes, all familial Greek roots have to start sometime and somewhere, but Texas just isn't a promising place to do that. Can a non-legacy (of any ethnicity) beat out a Texas triple-legacy (who's well-qualified in her own right) for a bid? Sure, it can happen, but said non-legacy had better have Einstein's brains, Jerry Lewis's enthusiasm for philanthropy, Miss Universe's looks, George Clooney's [perceived] personality and charm, and other talents/accomplishments as well (performing arts, athletics, etc.). You can work out the probability of that on your own.

For the record, I'm an Indian-American born and raised in the South.

Didn't know that! You learn something new about GC regulars everyday.:D

kddani

08-17-2010 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaIVA (Post 1969788)

They do not let you in if you're Indian. A
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Just be aware that there's a good chance you won't get in because you're Indian.

Crap, someone may want to tell that to my sorority, Kappa Delta, because we've got some prominent alumnae that are Indian.

Mona Jain:
https://friends.kappadelta.org/alumn...AA/FL/jain.xml

Her daughter Anila Jain is also a KD and is Vice Chairman of our Foundation.

We even have a scholarship named after them:
https://friends.kappadelta.org/conte...dationnews.xml

And crap, I'd better tell the chapter that I advise about the no-Indian rule, because they've initiated a number of them.

SWTXBelle

08-17-2010 02:22 PM

There is more blood on the ground with our WONDERFUL pnms after Texas recruitment than any other - including Auburn and Alabama. It's brutal for ALL.

DrPhil

08-17-2010 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1970463)

Is this sarcasm with the "them" and highlighting the notable East Indians in Kappa Delta? It reads tongue in cheek but it's hard to tell.

DeltaIVA's (I hate that username) post is dumb all by itself. When NPCers (white and nonwhite) explain, it sometimes doesn't have the effect that the NPCers planned.

kddani

08-17-2010 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1970497)

Of course it is sarcasm. DeltaIVA's post was so ridiculous that I thought it was obvious. Sorry if it wasn't.

Morgan7487

08-17-2010 03:50 PM

Do girls really not get bids because of race?

knight_shadow

08-17-2010 03:54 PM

http://sites.google.com/site/eddddie2/facepalm.jpg

DrPhil

08-17-2010 03:57 PM

The places where race matters would rarely receive nonwhite pnms in the first place. You can't get denied a bid if you don't try.

OHNOITSJESS

08-17-2010 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GTAlphaPhi (Post 1970403)

For the record, I'm an Indian-American born and raised in the South.

Oh yaay me too :)

I would think (b.c of her user name) DeltaIVA was involved in a culturally based GLO that is pretty large at UT. I surely hope she isn't.

DrPhil

08-17-2010 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OHNOITSJESS (Post 1970612)

Oh yaay me too :)

I would think (b.c of her user name) DeltaIVA was involved in a culturally based GLO that is pretty large at UT. I surely hope she isn't.

Look at the hidden diversity of GC.

If she is, she's an idiot for crying that she was essentially rejected because of her race. We don't welcome rejects.

LadyLonghorn

08-17-2010 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1970353)

She said she's a junior now, and she rushed two years ago. I think she was a freshman when she went through recruitment. That being said, she leaves a lot of holes open in her story.

Sorry. I guess I was too blinded by the line about the sorority with the one Indian member not being a "good one." :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1970632)

Look at the hidden diversity of GC.

If she is, she's an idiot for crying that she was essentially rejected because of her race. We don't welcome rejects.

I think Jess was referring to Delta Kappa Delta, which is a good sized Indian and South Asian sorority at Texas. Which is why I found the part of the post where she says that she doesn't know much about the Indian sororities rather strange given her user name. I pretty much assumed her posting here was a calculated move to steer Indian and other South Asian women away from NPC recruitment and into other options.

Although things have moved in the right direction, Texas' NPC sororities have a long way to go in increasing diversity. As some others mentioned, so much of our recruitment is legacy and hometown/high school/camp driven. The truth of the matter is that many women, no matter their race or any other factors, have virtually no chance of getting into many chapters. It's all about numbers.

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