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Gusteau 11-30-2009 11:31 AM

I was curious as to whether or not APO specified the arraignment, obviously if the significance is unchanged I suppose it doesn't matter too much. And thanks for the links - I don't know why I didn't think of the Library of Congress in the first place!

naraht 11-30-2009 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Gusteau (Post 1870936)
I was curious as to whether or not APO specified the arraignment, obviously if the significance is unchanged I suppose it doesn't matter too much. And thanks for the links - I don't know why I didn't think of the Library of Congress in the first place!

I know, but still personally annoying to see done both ways, and I'm on the National History Committee, so well within my purview of annoyance. :)

Good luck!

3AH80 12-14-2009 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by naraht (Post 1869359)
I've found that my National Fraternity (Alpha Phi Omega) is *very* confused about the terms "Coat of Arms" and "Crest", using the terms interchangably to refer to the Coat of Arms.

Here is some interesting detail/background on the Shield of Iota Phi Theta...

"The Shield of Iota Phi Theta (significantly, not a "crest" or "Coat of arms") is the most commonly used symbol of the Fraternity. Its connotation, or meaning, is revealed by the initiation ritual. It is considered Heraldically Incorrect and this is so by design. This is a testament to the desire of the Founders to create symbolism that would represent an organization dedicated to embodying a fresh approach.


The Heraldic Blazoning of Iota Phi Theta's shield is as follows:
"Brunatre a border Or, on an inescutcheon Brunatre bordered Or the Greek letters Iota Phi Theta of the last, in chief a cross Sable alight with twelve rays Or, a candle alight Gules with five rays Or, a Centaur Vert with eyes Gules, in base five mullets Or."

Gusteau 12-14-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 3AH80 (Post 1875059)
It is considered Heraldically Incorrect and this is so by design. This is a testament to the desire of the Founders to create symbolism that would represent an organization dedicated to embodying a fresh approach.

Very interesting - it definitly goes along with your motto, etc.

pshsx1 07-02-2010 01:36 AM

Bump!

I am going to post in this thread later today.. I just don't want to dig for it.

pshsx1 07-03-2010 12:53 AM

Kay got what I needed.

Original SigEp CoA:
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._4627234_n.jpg

Current CoA:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...SigEpCrest.png

Gusteau 07-03-2010 10:53 AM

Thanks for bumping one of my favorite threads! What is inside the Cross on the old CoA? It looks like a skull and crossbones to me but I can't really tell.

Drolefille 07-03-2010 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Gusteau (Post 1950263)
Thanks for bumping one of my favorite threads! What is inside the Cross on the old CoA? It looks like a skull and crossbones to me but I can't really tell.

Looks like a lamp, it just blends in in the black and white.

pshsx1 07-03-2010 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Gusteau (Post 1950263)
Thanks for bumping one of my favorite threads! What is inside the Cross on the old CoA? It looks like a skull and crossbones to me but I can't really tell.

No problem!

It's still a lamp like on the current one. The skull and crossbones has never migrated from the badge.

And I just realized that I have seen it in color ONCE... but I don't remember what color everything was... I think everything that was gold on the current one was gold on the old one... But I don't know if everything else was purple and red or if there was white in there... or something...

naraht 07-04-2010 07:48 AM

Same problem with old APO pledge pins
 
Alpha Phi Omega's pledge pins in the first 10-20 years of existance was a shield divided into two halves (left and right) with one side gold and the other blue, but I've never seen one and aren't even sure which one was on which side.

Our current pledge pins are of the same shape and size as the brotherhood pins and are the same except that the pledge pins have a P in the middle instead of the S and the colors of the center inverted...

Gusteau 07-04-2010 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by pshsx1 (Post 1950300)
No problem!

It's still a lamp like on the current one. The skull and crossbones has never migrated from the badge.

And I just realized that I have seen it in color ONCE... but I don't remember what color everything was... I think everything that was gold on the current one was gold on the old one... But I don't know if everything else was purple and red or if there was white in there... or something...

Thank you, it was a little blurry so I wasn't sure! As to the colors - that's easy! Before color printing certain patterns were used to distinguish heraldic colors.

In the first quadrant (with the star) the field is purpure (purple). In the fourth quadrant (with the sword) the field is gules (red). The second and third quadrants are argent (silver or white). The sword, star, and cross appear to be gold, but I can't completely distinguish the pattern (it would be little dots)

pshsx1 07-05-2010 12:21 AM

Yup, I know for sure those are gold.

Thanks, though!! :D


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