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PhiGam 10-23-2008 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1734332)
Yes, it's worth spending the billions of dollars needed to go. Do you even know what a dry river bed could mean? This is proof that Mars once had a warm, wet climate, suitable for the origin of life. I've already said that it can get up to the mid 60s there. Life could have been possible in Mars' early years, because in its youth the planet's carbon dioxide atmosphere was much thicker, endowing it with a very strong greenhouse effect. And so what if there isn't any present day life. What about fossils? Wherever life has died out, it will leave fossils. We need people there to look.

Do you realize how impractical a colony on mars would be? Expensive, it would take FOREVER to build seeing as it is extremely difficult and time consuming to run ONE mars mission. It would then cost us $10,000/ lb of cargo, not enough to warrant mining any mineral on mars.

VAgirl18 10-23-2008 04:40 AM

Why spend billions to go into space when there are thousands of homeless people on the streets and millions without healthcare?

cheerfulgreek 10-23-2008 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1734752)
Do you realize how impractical a colony on mars would be? Expensive, it would take FOREVER to build seeing as it is extremely difficult and time consuming to run ONE mars mission. It would then cost us $10,000/ lb of cargo, not enough to warrant mining any mineral on mars.

No PhiGam, I don't. It's cheaper to run one Mars mission than it is to send troops to a country that doesn't even want us there. And yes, I think Mars can be colonized. From a techinical point of view, there's little doubt that we can eventually do just about anything we want on Mars, including terraforming Mars, like transforming it from a frigid, arid world into a warm, wet planet, I think it once was. Yes, I think we can afford it. Not now, but when Barack Obama is in office and our economy is better, I think we can. I was thinking that while the exploration and base building phases can and probably have to be carried out on the basis of government funding, during the settlement phase is when economics would come into play. While a Mars base of even a few hundred people can probably be supported out of pocket by governmental expenditures, a developing Martian society, one that may come to number in the hundreds of thousands, clearly cannot. I think to be viable, a real Martian civilization has to be completely autarchic or be able to produce some kind of export that allows it to pay for the imports in requires. I think after we're done wasting money in Iraq, and our economy is doing well, I think we should start putting some kind of plan together to make it happen.

cheerfulgreek 10-23-2008 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VAgirl18 (Post 1734758)
Why spend billions to go into space when there are thousands of homeless people on the streets and millions without healthcare?

I asked the same question when Bush sent troops to Iraq to fight a war over nothing. At least with exploring Mars we would be accomplishing something.

VAgirl18 10-23-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1734983)
I asked the same question when Bush sent troops to Iraq to fight a war over nothing. At least with exploring Mars we would be accomplishing something.

Your logic is faulty. Yes, Bush made a mistake, but why follow up with another costly one?

CrackerBarrel 10-23-2008 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1734983)
I asked the same question when Bush sent troops to Iraq to fight a war over nothing. At least with exploring Mars we would be accomplishing something.

It's a matter of priorities. Even if there was no WMD/Al Qaeda in Iraq I consider deposing a murderous dictator and putting a democracy which, though while it took a lot of work, now seems to be working in it's place something much more worth doing than flying to Mars just for the hell of it.

nittanyalum 10-23-2008 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1734980)
And yes, I think Mars can be colonized. From a techinical point of view, there's little doubt that we can eventually do just about anything we want on Mars, including terraforming Mars, like transforming it from a frigid, arid world into a warm, wet planet, I think it once was. ... I think to be viable, a real Martian civilization has to be completely autarchic or be able to produce some kind of export that allows it to pay for the imports in requires. I think after we're done wasting money in Iraq, and our economy is doing well, I think we should start putting some kind of plan together to make it happen.

Wow.

http://www.drwob.com/lisa/images/life_on_mars.gif

Senusret I 10-23-2008 07:02 PM

http://iangrey.org/wp-content/upload...lifeonmars.jpg

cheerfulgreek 10-24-2008 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1734991)
It's a matter of priorities. Even if there was no WMD/Al Qaeda in Iraq I consider deposing a murderous dictator and putting a democracy which, though while it took a lot of work, now seems to be working in it's place something much more worth doing than flying to Mars just for the hell of it.

A mission to Mars wouldn't just be done just be for the hell of it. Plus, since Saddam has been gone, it's actually gotten worse over there, I mean at least with the terrorist it has.

DaemonSeid 10-24-2008 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by VAgirl18 (Post 1734758)
Why spend billions?

Why spend billions when you can spend.....trillions.....?

*cue Dr. Evil Music*

http://content.answers.com/main/cont...74/Dr_Evil.jpg

MysticCat 10-24-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1735032)

This "discussion" really makes me want my Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator.

"Where's the kaboom?! There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!"

VAgirl18 10-24-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1735225)
Why spend billions when you can spend.....trillions.....?

*cue Dr. Evil Music*

http://content.answers.com/main/cont...74/Dr_Evil.jpg

:p

PeppyGPhiB 10-24-2008 07:33 PM

I went to Mars and all I got was this coffee mug
 
http://images.replacements.com/image...587S0046T2.jpg

PrettyBoy 10-25-2008 02:59 AM

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/p...hershipcon.jpg
Mars does have life. This silly joker swears up and down he's from Mars. Check out his mothership. http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

PrettyInPink777 10-25-2008 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 1735645)


Mars does have life. This silly joker swears up and down he's from Mars. Check out his mothership. http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

Sweet! I haven't seen this album ((that's right, I said Album!)) cover in ages!!

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