That is rude:mad:

I was really happy for Lloyd Carr, hes a very nice guy who I've had the pleasure of talking to on numerous occasions. It was pretty cool seeing Michigan running a spread, they should have been running it all year with their personnel.
And what do you mean by not deserved? They took advantage of your weak secondary and put up almost 600 yards.

Never in my life will I let a Michigan alum that dares to speak of college football live that first loss down. Never.

@SECdomination - I'm glad you can admit the entire truth of the matter.


Aww, Pot! That's so nice of you to introduce yourself to Kettle. ;)

I stand corrected
 

Seems as if I may have heard some stat incorrectly during the game on Tuesday:
Ohio State is 0-7 Against SEC Teams in Bowl Games

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/florida-football/2006/12/19/ohio-state-is-0-7-against-sec-teams-in-bowl-games/

While I am not an advocate for the current BCS system, I do appreciate that they are attempting to spread the wealth both literally and figuratively. As such, saying that a conference champion has the right to play in a bowl game *if* it ends up ranked in the BCS top twelve, does have its merits. Otherwise, we would not have had last year's Fiesta Bowl match up. Nor should we say that in hindsight, just because a team gets creamed in their bowl game they did not deserve to be there. We only have to look at Ohio State in last year's BCS title game and/or Oklahoma in the 2004 title game as examples. There are plenty of folk who felt both teams deserved to be in the title game and yet both were soundly defeated.

It does seem that generally speaking, over the years the BCS selection does seem to work. Again to be clear, I am talking all five BCS bowl games (BCS Title, Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar) and not just the BCS Title game. (That is another different discussion.) Basically, the main issue I have with this season's BCS games is that and that Kansas was selected over Missouri for the Orange Bowl. Not that KU does not deserve a BCS game, but just that if only two teams are allowed to go from a conference to a BCS bowl, then I would hope they would be the two "best" teams. The other "minor" issue is that Illinois was selected for the Rose Bowl. But at least I do understand the historical (traditional) reason for the Rose Bowl to take Illinois so that there is a Pacific Ten versus Big Ten match up. So it does not seem like such a bad choice given the tradition of the Rose Bowl.

As such, if we use the BCS premise that all six of the BCS conference champions (Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big Twelve, Pacific Ten, Southeastern) are guaranteed a BCS bowl (BCS Title, Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar), followed by any other conference (Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt, Western Athletic) champion that finishes in the BCS top twelve, then if we use the BCS final regular season rankings, only Missouri got screwed. And perhaps Illinois should not have gone to the Rose Bowl. Perhaps Missouri in the Rose and Arizona State in Orange.

guaranteed BCS bowl team bolded

BCS Standings
01 Ohio State - Required to play in the BCS Title game as number one ranked BCS team
02 Louisiana State - Required to play in the BCS Title game as number two ranked BCS team
03 Virginia Tech - ACC Champion, required to play in Orange
04 Oklahoma - Big Twelve Champion, required to play in Fiesta
05 Georgia - at large
06 Missouri
07 Southern California - Pacific Ten Champion, required to play in Rose Bowl
08 Kansas - at large
09 West Virginia - Big East Champion, required to play in *a* BCS bowl
10 Hawaii - Western Athletic Champion, required to play in *a* BCS bowl due to top twelve BCS standing
11 Arizona State
12 Florida
13 Illinois - at large

The same may be said if we use the AP final regular season rankings. Missouri got screwed and Illinois should not have gone to the Rose Bowl.

guaranteed BCS bowl team bolded

AP Standings
01 Ohio State - Required to play in the BCS Title game as number one ranked BCS team
02 Louisiana State - Required to play in the BCS Title game as number two ranked BCS team
03 Oklahoma - Big Twelve Champion, required to play in Fiesta
04 Georgia - at large
05 Virginia Tech - ACC Champion, required to play in Orange
06 Southern California - Pacific Ten Champion, required to play in Rose Bowl
07 Missouri
08 Kansas - at large
09 Florida
10 Hawaii - Western Athletic Champion, required to play in *a* BCS bowl due to top twelve BCS standing
11 West Virginia - Big East Champion, required to play in *a* BCS bowl
12 Arizona State
13 Illinois - at large

The bottom line seems to be that the BCS conferences (Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big Twelve, Pacific Ten, Southeastern) are not going to allow any one conference to have more than two members in a BCS game (BCS Title, Fiesta, Orange, Rose, Sugar). The simple reason being financial. So there was no way that both Missouri and Kansas were going to get a bowl bid. But why Kansas, I do not know.

What the deuce?

Kentucky was the better team than Florida State going into the Music City Bowl. It was UK - the better team - who almost gave the game away. The opposite applies for the Florida and Michigan game.

Well then I guess Florida fans should be embarrassed that they lost to Michigan.
:p

that's why they play the games. nothing is deserved in college football. especially after this year.

:eek: Touche. :p

We definitely got a break with the upward movement of Ohio in the polls. (Which I realize was controversial.) Ohio even thought they were the ones going to the Rose Bowl, and I was happy we were just getting a shot at a "good" bowl game at all. Considering it had been since 2001 we had gone anywhere, and with our low performing seasons recently, my thinking went from "let's just get a winning season" to "we're going to have a post season!" to..."we may go to a BCS bowl?!?" Whoo hoo!!

Gift horse comes to mind, and I'm just thankful our seniors (and Mendenhall) were able to have a January football experience for their last year in orange and blue.

For what it's worth, I think Mizzou should have been in over KU too.

GOOOOOOOOOOO DAWGS!!!!!
 

Whew!!

Hubby says at half-time, it's over. I said I don't think so, you never know if Hawaii will score and/or UGA will do something stupid.

I did feel sorry for Colt B...just a little, lol. (and OTW, lol.)

But hey, sUGAr Bowl is our's...for this year!

that link is to a story from 2006. OSU is 0-8 against SEC teams in bowl games since then.

2007 41-14 (Lost to Florida) BCS Nat'l Championship
2002 31-28 (South Carolina) Outback
2001 24-7 (South Carolina) Outback
1996 20-14 (Tennessee) Citrus
1995 24-17 (Alabama) Citrus
1993 21-14 (Georgia) Citrus
1990 31-14 (Auburn) Hall of Fame
1978 35-6 (Alabama) Sugar

not that it has any bearing on this game-- different teams different years and all-- but in those 8 games, the SEC outscored OSU: 227 to 114.

but like i said, different teams, different year.

LSU 41
OSU 14

Aww, thanks Lynn. You're sweet. :D

So uhh...How 'bout 'dem Mountaineers???

Whoo-hoo...those are my boys! Great game. I'm anxious to see the year-end rankings now! :D

I was very happy to see them win yesterday. I was at Dave and Buster's after work and it was a very WVU kinda crowd. Don't know why, I guess we in Hawaii just like to cheer for the underdog. ;)