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greekalum 10-11-2006 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1337205)
I think that the problem is in looking for a "point" Sometimes the only point is encouragement.

Yes, but I think encouraging someone in a futile quest- what if they have spent their whole "pursuit" thread trying to become an AI of an organization that doesn't do it?- is crueler than asking relevant questions.

ReachTheLimit 10-11-2006 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by greekalum (Post 1337206)
AI is an honor. It is not something like running a marathon that one sets a goal to do and then trains for, prepares, and does. Positioning it as something one has successes and lows with seeking misrepresents what it actually is.

General information is not available because there is no general NPC policy. The only relevant information is available from that organization only.

No one has posted on this entire thread that NPC had a general AI policy.

greekalum 10-11-2006 04:58 PM

You asked why people couldn't seek general information. I answered.

ReachTheLimit 10-11-2006 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by greekalum (Post 1337209)
Yes, but I think encouraging someone in a futile quest- what if they have spent their whole "pursuit" thread trying to become an AI of an organization that doesn't do it?- is crueler than asking relevant questions.

Why would you think encouragement for someone that is currently in contact with a sorority regarding AI would be a bad thing?

_Lisa_ 10-11-2006 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1337211)
No one has posted on this entire thread that NPC had a general AI policy.

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1337195)
I guess what I'm trying to say, is when someone is generally posting, looking for general information, and just want to post regarding her successes and lows regarding AI, why should she have to worry about being grilled regarding her quest on the GC AI Forum and that people that don't particularly like the AI process being discussed lead the way? It just seems cruel and unnecessary.



Its such a BURDEN to remember what we're implying when we post.

greekalum 10-11-2006 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1337213)
Why would you think encouragement for someone that is currently in contact with a sorority regarding AI would be a bad thing?

I don't, and I think they could seek it in that organization's subforum or elsewhere.

Most of the threads I have seen have involved women who are just beginning to research and/or contact organizations. Not women who have received a positive real life response from those organizations.

ReachTheLimit 10-11-2006 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by _Lisa_ (Post 1337214)
Its such a BURDEN to remember what we're implying when we post.

Lisa, you got the two confused.

Drolefille 10-11-2006 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by greekalum (Post 1337209)
Yes, but I think encouraging someone in a futile quest- what if they have spent their whole "pursuit" thread trying to become an AI of an organization that doesn't do it?- is crueler than asking relevant questions.

Hey, I'm not saying ONLY encouragment is in order. If the PNAI posts the GLO and it's XYZ (which doesn't do AI) someone is going to tell them that. And if she doesn't listen, only to get shot down by I/NHQ, then so be it. But I trust my sisters enough to generally encourage someone. If she doesn't fit, she doesn't.

Asking questions, challenging, snarkiness, etc. all have their place, it's only when the fight about AI itself gets dragged down on a new poster's head that I have a big problem with it.

ReachTheLimit 10-11-2006 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by greekalum (Post 1337220)
I don't, and I think they could seek it in that organization's subforum or elsewhere.

Most of the threads I have seen have involved women who are just beginning to research and/or contact organizations. Not women who have received a positive real life response from those organizations.

Well, I didn't post regarding who to contact, because I read through the posts of others and got my information that way. I didn't contact the HQ's directly, I contacted a Region-level person in the area where I lived and just figured if I contacted the wrong person they would re-direct me, and they didn't, they got me in touch with the right people

DSTCHAOS 10-11-2006 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1337221)
Lisa, you got the two confused.

"I guess what I'm trying to say, is when someone is generally posting, looking for general information, and just want to post regarding her successes and lows regarding AI,"

I assume you meant "general posting" as in the person will not give specific information about the process and the sorority she in pursuing. However, with the "looking for general information" part, how can people offer general information when there's nothing general about AI other than that it is by invitation-only?

ReachTheLimit 10-11-2006 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1337222)
Hey, I'm not saying ONLY encouragment is in order. If the PNAI posts the GLO and it's XYZ (which doesn't do AI) someone is going to tell them that. And if she doesn't listen, only to get shot down by I/NHQ, then so be it. But I trust my sisters enough to generally encourage someone. If she doesn't fit, she doesn't.

Asking questions, challenging, snarkiness, etc. all have their place, it's only when the fight about AI itself gets dragged down on a new poster's head that I have a big problem with it.

I totally agree with you regarding if someone inquires about AI in a sorority and that particular sorority just doesn't do it. If someone kept asking questions, I would probablly do the same thing, if some don't, then they just don't.

ReachTheLimit 10-11-2006 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1337225)
"I guess what I'm trying to say, is when someone is generally posting, looking for general information, and just want to post regarding her successes and lows regarding AI,"

I assume you meant "general posting" as in the person will not give specific information about the process and the sorority she in pursuing. However, with the "looking for general information" part, how can people offer general information when there's nothing general about AI other than that it is by invitation-only?

Fair question and I'll give you an example.

I have read alot, where the PNAI don't know who to contact, the local AA of the GLO or their HQ's. I think everyone who is seeking AI has been told to contact the HQ's first because many of the AA's are not aware that their sorority (for the ones that do) does AI or have no idea of how to go about the process.

That is the kind of general information I'm talking about. Things like that.

_Lisa_ 10-11-2006 05:11 PM

AI should not be sought.

OtterXO 10-11-2006 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1337227)
Fair question and I'll give you an example.

I have read alot, where the PNAI don't know who to contact, the local AA of the GLO or their HQ's. I think everyone who is seeking AI has been told to contact the HQ's first because many of the AA's are not aware that their sorority (for the ones that do) does AI or have no idea of how to go about the process.

That is the kind of general information I'm talking about. Things like that.

The point everyone is making is that there is no general information beyond the example you gave. So that's the extent of information anyone can provide: "Contact the organization's HQ". Can you think of any other "general information" questions? So basically we should sticky a thread entitled "Contact HQ with any AI questions" and we would be done with it?

DSTCHAOS 10-11-2006 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ReachTheLimit (Post 1337223)
Well, I didn't post regarding who to contact, because I read through the posts of others and got my information that way. I didn't contact the HQ's directly, I contacted a Region-level person in the area where I lived and just figured if I contacted the wrong person they would re-direct me, and they didn't, they got me in touch with the right people


This is an important post. You took cues and made the necessary contacts w/o needing anyone to hold your hand.

Therefore, why can't there just be a closed sticky in the recruitment forum that states "Some sororities and fraternities have alumnae/graduate initiation opportunities. This is not the same as recruitment as this is typically by invitation-only. For more information please check out the national websites for your organization of interest. There is no general process or general information to provide and we prefer that inquiries not be posted on GC. However, if you wish to provide some info about your own AI experience that you are currently undergoing, not asking how to begin, feel free to do so and your thread will 1) be directed to the appropriate forum and 2) be responded to with the understanding that no one on GC can speak for every organization or every aspirant's experience."


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