I feel like Little Tim Crachit should come out on his crutch next to Palin and say "God Bless Us, Everyone"

tooo funny! i think this debate is officially over.....

http://img2.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/...ed/anim_06.gif

and who is holding the baby???

so who won? or are we calling this a cop out?

I don't think Palin had the big flub like we were looking for, but her words were kind of flat. McCain fans are going to say this was successful SOLEly because she didn't mess up, like Liberman is right now, but I don't think that is a good reason to call a win...

Really, I think that for the most part no one "wins" - the object is to make sure you don't obviously "lose".

it wasn't a big flub...it was a lot of little ones.....


But Biden hit her on Iraq with "I didn't hear a plan"

Well, she had her talking points and she was clearly hesitant to escape those... I like her strong focus on energy, but she will be VP... she needed to talk up McCain there, and separate him from Bush more...

Luckily, b/c she is just running for VP, unless McCain croaks, tonight is probably the hardest thing she will ever have to do...

OH.
MY.
GOD.

Thank god it ended, I think my ears were about to start bleeding.

Ok, so Palin didn't tank, but she sure didn't hit it out of the ballpark. And here's a tip, if you don't really know a General's name, don't say it.

Biden was terrific, IMO. He even had a real "moment" there! (my husband turned and gave me a fist bump on that one ;))

In all honesty, I liked the format of the first Presidential debate much better. I felt like BOTH of VP candidates just said their canned, planned pieces for the most part. Biden strayed from this a little more, or didn't come off quite as canned, but doggone it, I found the whole thing to be pretty boring and too prepared.

ETA: I want our President and Vice President to sound businesslike and professional so the relaxed language really bothers me. It has bothered me with Bush too during his entire Presidency.

She has an amazing wardrobe.
She connects with the "home on the range" folk.
She held her own.
She is an interesting speaker.
She was well-rehearsed.
She stayed on her talking points.
She kept looking down at her notes.
She didn't answer most of the questions.
She is long-winded (i though that was a Biden thing :p).
She did better than I expected...
BUT, She didn't impress me.
REPUBLICANS, YOU CAN BREATHE NOW!! :D

ETA: Mr. McCain, sir... can Sarah do some interviews now? Pwwweeaasee

DAMN! lmao

Hey fist bumping is a terrorist sign...LOL

and...how about she didnt really dig too deep on bankruptcy or the mortgage crisis...just energy energy energy

New Q ler and 'have got'

I know she has a young baby but I felt that she was using him as an attention-getter at the end..

HELLOOO, I'm sure there is someone in Alaska who could have babysat for a few hours!:rolleyes:

(BTW, loved the Lieberman line from above:) )

She didn't do as poorly as I expected - but the nucular killed me every time.

Classic....

Biden: "Drill, Drill, Drill"
Palin: "You got the chant wrong...it's "Drill, Baby Drill!"

What was the line about the bridge to know where? Did someone catch that?

OH MY GOD me too, it's like fingernails on a chalkboard.

One of CNN's "flash poll" things said people who watched the debate say Biden won 51% to her 36%.

I don't think it changes the campaign landscape -- she may not be as much of a debit to the McCain side, but she still is certainly not an asset. Obama will keep his lead.

Palin: Israel is our strongest and best ally in the Middle East. We have got to assure them that we will never allow a second Holocaust, despite, again, warnings from Iran and any other country that would seek to destroy Israel, that that is what they would like to see.

wow!!!!

who commented on this?

Questions...
 

Did Sarah mention once, how John McCain isn't another George Bush or a maverick for that matter? She kept saying that Joe/Obama keeps going backwards, and then brought up energy. Something McCain has flip flopped about in recent times.

Did Joe Biden defend the reasons why Obama voted against funding for the troops? All I heard was that McCain voted the same way. Two wrongs don't make a right. That really wasn't the answer I was looking for.

She's just spouting more rehearsed rhetoric -- it's a strategic misrepresentation: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/685/

Interesting...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27001026

the $42,000 question.
 

wait...if a FAMILY is making 42000...how are they middle class?

hell I make more than that by myself

Haha, I was going to say "Quayle didn't shoot anybody" but I was too late.

He said it had to do with other pieces of it and the lack of a good plan to leave. He said McCain voted against it for a different reason, because there was a timeline.

I found the most avoidance on her part to be the Achilles heel question. After her answer about climate change, my daughter said "So does she believe in global warming or not?" and I said "I have no idea but I think she said that she believes the climate is changing but that it isn't man made" She definitely didn't say that too clearly.

ETA: Her wink bugged me, but that's a personal thing, not an issues thing.

Sarah Palin does NOT have the poise to be VP. She also needs elocution lessons. It's NEW-KLEE-ER!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

So it WASNT just me who cringed when she said that.
Anyone else know what a "Talibani" is?

I dont make near that, so does that make me POOR?

She did better than I expected, but she didn't impress me AT ALL.
And is Brisol still pregnant? If she holds that baby one more gin..

Watching "Fix" News (Fox :))... Who won the debate "text" poll? 12% Palin, 86% Biden
Consistent with the rest of the text polls (as of now). Interesting.

Our President for the past 8 years has pronounced it just like she does, so <shrug> obviously that doesn't matter to Americans.

the most dangerous VP in history

http://betterdonkey.org/images/cheney.jpg

and I forgot...at the end she said:

I like being able to answer these tough questions without the filter, even, of the mainstream media kind of telling viewers what they've just heard. I'd rather be able to just speak to the American people like we just did.



UUummmmm

1. Whose campaign had her hiding out from the media for 3 weeks?

2. Who flubbed everytime she spoke and misspoke?


The MSM is gonna have a field day with this....

I thought the same thing.

Good debate.

I'm not a Palin fan, so I'm cheering for her to not hurt McCain, not to further her political future.

BUT

She held her own. Neither person answered any of the questions tonight really, but that's okay because Ifill was kind of annoying, she kept interjecting herself where she wasn't needed. No big gaffes on either side, except talking about same sex couples Biden accidentally said that they would work to protect the rights of those in gay marriages (he clearly meant relationships based on the context and misspoke, everyone I was watching with, all Democrats aside from me, heard it and cringed). That one will be in an ad probably, but aside from Joe describing Bosnians as "Bosniaks" (which is apparently right, but I've always heard them referred to as Bosnians in the US) that was the only "what!?!" moment I heard from either side. No home runs in this one either (probably somewhere close to a tie, Palin started far stronger, Biden finished strong), but that's fine because very few people are basing their votes on how the VPs convinced them. McCain may gain a little because Palin held her own and thus looks less incompetent than she has recently and may reassure some people. But my overall opinion is that that debate was probably pretty damn close to meaningless in the race.

I'll concede it won't necessarily cause a huge swing to either side, but I wouldn't call it "meaningless". I think it's important we get a look at who the #2s on the tickets are, particularly since one of them has basically been kept in a shroud for the better part of her candidacy. Biden saying Bosniacs was no worse than Palin calling the General in Afghanistan by the wrong name. Palin did flat out not answer several questions, though, and was a bit of a one-note Nellie. She was so controlled so as to not make gaffes, she had absolutely no depth or breadth to her answers. And I don't know who coached her to do that cutesy, "Aw, come on now, Joe" stuff, but good lord was that annoying. It felt like she was in the interview section of a pageant most of the time, the constant fake smiling, the goofy winks and folksy Fargo-like talk, it was just too over-the-top. One heartbeat away. Seriously. Bone-chillingly terrifying, that prospect. I always thought of Biden as kind of a quirky guy and wasn't prone to take him as a serious VP prospect, but his performance tonight actually gave me a great sense of confidence.

Because you were already supporting Obama/Biden and expected Joe to win. To be honest, so did I, and I was pleasantly surprised that in my opinion it came out somewhere close to a tie. Time graded both of them as a B and I would tend to agree. She avoided specifics, but did it without coming across as just not answering. There were a number of cases where both of them either answered the question which was asked of the other or didn't answer the question at all - and I think at least part of that was Ifill's fault. Why was she, say, asking a question of Biden, then asking a different question of Palin before Biden had responded, so Joe had to talk and then Palin had to talk about a (at times completely) different question that was asked 5 minutes before and not repeated without having the chance to respond to Biden? Ifill did that both ways and it made no sense to me, just seemed like a pointless structure. The odd thing to me was the way the different sections came out. Palin outdid Biden on foreign policy (the entire reason he is the VP) while Biden won on energy and tax cuts (the two big Republican campaign platforms). Certainly didn't see that coming. Biden "out-facted" Palin, but using too many facts and statistics makes you harder to follow at times (which he sometimes was, particularly early in the debate). He seemed more knowledgable, but also kind of dispassionate. He seemed almost sad rather than angry at times when angry seemed like the correct emotion. Palin was impressive because I think the main reason people tuned in was to see her flop. She didn't and fought a 36 year Senate veteran to something at least pretty close to a tie and I think that may tilt the scales a little in her favor tonight simply because of how low the expectations were.

But in the end, people are going to remember this debate for about 48 hours. Palin seems like less of an irresponsible choice than she did before the debate, and if that lets her get back on the trail on the attack it could chage the race, but the debate itself isn't going to change many minds at all.

Palin outdid Biden on foreign policy???!????!??!!!!???

You and I were watching two different debates, my friend.

Yes, not in terms of policy, in terms of debating. He let her flat out call him wrong on a number of things without responding.

I.E. the "waving a white flag in Iraq" line and her response about what a troop surge in Afghanistan would entail and how wonderful it would be.

Most people don't tune into a debate to judge how wonderful the ideas are, they aren't knowledgeable enough to make that decision. And when you let your opponent flat out call you wrong or do something as bold as calling your Iraq policy surrender without responding to it, it comes across as you conceding the point. Biden certainly "out-facted" her through the entire debate, but he needed to give a short response and then make his own criticism instead of just shaking his head and letting them move on to the next question. The strict partisans already have an opinion on who "is right" and that's the person they will think won an issue. But to people who don't already have a strong opinion, when your opponent gives a strong criticism and you can't or don't respond to it at all, you just lost that point.

That's wasn't Bristol holding the baby tonight, that was Willow. Come to think of it...I haven't seen Bristol lately. Hmmm :rolleyes:. Willow is a few years younger than Bristol...13 or 14 years old. They look so much alike, it's scary.

Click on Photo 11: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...ml#cnnSTCPhoto

Willow is the pretty one looking at her mother! Piper, the youngest daughter is soo adorable. If you have ever seen her on the campaign trail, you'd notice how she looks up to her mother as if she was God! Too cute!

I think Bristol is off plannin her weddin