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nittanyalum 08-20-2008 08:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by snakealum (Post 1701824)
Snake is a Sigma Nu snake.
AHA!
I knew it! :p

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Originally Posted by gtdxeric (Post 1701933)
if uga is a public ivy, i am Francis Ford F***ing Coppola
Hahahahahaha. Thank you. That statement made me grab the sides of my laptop, lean in, and say "WHAT?!?!?! Please." :p:rolleyes:

UGAalum94 08-20-2008 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1702009)


Hahahahahaha. Thank you. That statement made me grab the sides of my laptop, lean in, and say "WHAT?!?!?! Please." :p:rolleyes:
It may be even funnier to those of us who went there before the HOPE grant got started and standards started improving. It's so much more selective and well regarded than it used to be.

awkward1 08-20-2008 09:27 PM
UGA Not A Public Ivy.....
 
Some random UGA stats...
Student 1 - 1420 SAT 30 ACT AP and honors courses student council, honors student 3.4 unweighted gpa **rejected**

student 2 - 1320 SAT 29 ACT AP, Honors ,3.65 gpa, cheerleader, varsity lacrosse **rejected**

It may not be ivy league but it is no walk in the park to get into either. So yes, I do believe that most of the girls who are rushing probably are the cream of the crop from their high schools and could probably walk right into Vassar or Vandy.

violetpretty 08-20-2008 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1701886)
UGA is a public ivy like Texas.
Don't make me choke. I would agree that UGA and Texas are among the best public schools in the country. Is that what you meant by "public Ivy"? While UGA and Texas are on par with (or slightly below) other competitive presitigious public schools like Penn State, Maryland, UVA, William & Mary, UNC, etc, they pale in comparison to actual Ivy League schools. Keep in mind, I am not knocking the quality of these schools, because I went to one, just that I think the term "public Ivy" is laughable.

Some numbers to compare from collegeboard.com:

% admitted; GPA at or above 3.75; % first-year students in 10% of HS class; Middle 50% SAT Verbal; Middle 50% SAT Math

UGA: 55%, 63%, 51%, 560-660, 570-660
Texas: 51%, none given, 69%, 540-670, 570-700
Penn State: 51%, 31%, 45%, 530-630, 560-670
Maryland: 47%, 65%, 56%, 570-680, 600-700
UVA: 35%, 85%, 87%, 590-700, 610-720
W&M: 34%, 77%, 79%, 630-740, 620-710
UNC: 35%, 93%, 76%, 600-700, 610-700
Cal: 23%, 93%, 98%, 590-710, 630-760

compare with

Cornell: 21%, none given, 87%, 630-770, 660-730
Penn: 16%, 65%, 96%, 650-750, 680-770
Dartmouth: 15%, 62%, 91%, 660-770, 670-780
Brown: 14%, none given, 92%, 660-760, 670-770
Columbia: 11%, none given, none given, 660-760, 670-780
Princeton:10%, 82%, 96% 690-790,700-790
Yale: 10%, none given, 97%, 700-800, 700-790
Harvard: 9%, none given, 95%, 700-800, 700-790

UGA and Texas (and most of the other "public Ivies") are not even close.

BadCat25 08-20-2008 11:13 PM
violetpretty - UGA isn't even Vandy. Mid 50% range for class of 2011 - CR 640/730, M 660/740.

BadCat25 08-20-2008 11:36 PM
Or Northwestern - Mid 50% range - CR 670/750, M 680/770

violetpretty 08-20-2008 11:44 PM
No kidding. What I was responding to was the comment that UGA and Texas are "public ivies" by comparing them to the Ivies, and showing that they aren't even close. As for Vandy and Northwestern, I was talking about public schools, so they're not really part of the discussion.

[/hijack]

breathesgelatin 08-21-2008 12:04 AM
snakealum, thanks for the clarification. It sounds like your goddaughter did maximize her options, even attending one sorority for round 3. I'm sorry that she was released. It's sad when girls fall through the cracks.

violetpretty, Michigan is probably up there too.

FWIW, I go to Texas (grad student) and teach Texas students, and while I really love the school, I'm not sure I'd call it a public ivy. I do think that's reserved for the very very very best public schools like UVA, UNC, Cal, etc.

AnchorAlumna 08-21-2008 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by srmom (Post 1701918)
Yes, thank heavens we're not! Vassar? A UGA person would cut off their foot before they'd choose Vassar.

Weren't Fern and her roommates in Animal House from Vassar? :cool:

"Can we dance with your dates?" (couldn't resist)

haha JK! Really!!:):)
Fawn. Fawn Leibowitz. Actually, I think they were students at "Emily Dickinson College." ;)

AGDee 08-21-2008 06:20 AM
Since it was mentioned (and I'm trying to convince my daughter that Michigan is NOT below her)

50%,didn't find it quickly on the site, 92%,630-730, 590-690

AuburnMom08 08-21-2008 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by UGAALUM (Post 1701171)
Each sorority at UGA is different in how they treat upperclassman (i think) What I do know is back in my day we pledged a lot of juniors, but not anymore. I know at least one sorority on campus has an internal rule they can pledge no sophmores. My sorority has a limit of 3 or 4 I not sure how many, but i know it is VERY competitive for a sophmore. The thinking is (which I don't agree with) is a freshman will be there all 4 years. I know every year there are freshman who pledge that drop out and I'd much rather have that sophmore that knows this is for her, but that is the reality. The rules aren't set by the girls (they want to pledge their friends), but by their national or alum advisors.
IMO this is the best answer to the original question. IDK about UGA but at Auburn about half the sororities don't take sophomores at all and the other half can only take a few - ie 3 or 4 at most so that means out of alllll the girls pledging only about 25-30, at most, will pledge ANY sororitiy as a sophomore. At Auburn they ended up with something like 16 sophomores out of the entire pledge class of almost 1000 girls.

AuburnMom08 08-21-2008 09:28 AM
BTW, my daughter dropped out of rush on the last day after she was cut by all but 2 houses and she was really down about the whole thing but I am happy to report that now, a whole week later, she is doing great and not nearly as lost/lonely as she thought she would be without sisterhood.

33girl 08-21-2008 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by srmom (Post 1701918)
Yes, thank heavens we're not! Vassar? A UGA person would cut off their foot before they'd choose Vassar.

Weren't Fern and her roommates in Animal House from Vassar? :cool:

"Can we dance with your dates?" (couldn't resist)

haha JK! Really!!:):)
actually it was Fawne :) and Chris Miller said in an interview that "Emily Dickinson College" was Bennington.

I thought that was an odd comparison too.

kddani 08-21-2008 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by AuburnMom08 (Post 1702233)
BTW, my daughter dropped out of rush on the last day after she was cut by all but 2 houses and she was really down about the whole thing but I am happy to report that now, a whole week later, she is doing great and not nearly as lost/lonely as she thought she would be without sisterhood.
Am I understanding you correctly? Your daughter had 2 houses left on the last day, then dropped out? How many houses did she expect to have left? Preference, at most, is three parties. Did she not go to preference for either of the two houses that genuinely were interested in getting to know her and potentially having her as a sister?

I'm glad that she's doing well, however, it sounds like she had quite a good chance of becoming a member of a sorority.

ThetaDancer 08-21-2008 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by gtdxeric (Post 1701933)
if uga is a public ivy, i am Francis Ford F***ing Coppola
I know I'm late on this and I'm just getting caught up on this thread, but I have to tell you that this really did make me laugh out loud. THANK YOU.

texas*princess 08-21-2008 11:00 AM
Even given the new information, there is nothing anyone on this board can say or do to answer the question of "Why".

We don't know. Period.

Maybe it had nothing to do with her class standing. Maybe it did. Regardless, she unfortunately didn't make it. And it's unfortunate, but it does happen = a lot = every year.

InHerShoes 08-21-2008 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kddani (Post 1702256)
Am I understanding you correctly? Your daughter had 2 houses left on the last day, then dropped out? How many houses did she expect to have left? Preference, at most, is three parties. Did she not go to preference for either of the two houses that genuinely were interested in getting to know her and potentially having her as a sister.
What???

Just because a sorority shows interest in a PNM does NOT automatically mean that the PNM feels comfortable or at home in that chapter. Who are you to judge this woman's daughter for dropping out of recruitment because she wasn't comfortable with the houses she had left? Every sorority is not for everyone; they are not all the same, and that's the beauty of the system, but it also means that not every girl is going to fit in at every house.

I think that too often on this site girls are accused of dropping out of recruitment because they thought the houses they had left were "bottom tier." Why do we assume that is the case? This girl could have had two "top tier" chapters left that she simply couldn't see herself in.

Which is worse? Knowing that you wouldn't be happy with any of the sororities that invited you to preference and dropping out of recruitment? or knowing that you wouldn't be happy with any of the sororities that invited you to preference but attending the parties, signing a bid card, and dropping out after bid day, thus taking the spot of a girl who would have been HAPPY in that group?

Benzgirl 08-21-2008 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by violetpretty (Post 1702092)
Don't make me choke. I would agree that UGA and Texas are among the best public schools in the country. Is that what you meant by "public Ivy"? While UGA and Texas are on par with (or slightly below) other competitive presitigious public schools like Penn State, Maryland, UVA, William & Mary, UNC, etc, they pale in comparison to actual Ivy League schools. Keep in mind, I am not knocking the quality of these schools, because I went to one, just that I think the term "public Ivy" is laughable.

Some numbers to compare from collegeboard.com:

% admitted; GPA at or above 3.75; % first-year students in 10% of HS class; Middle 50% SAT Verbal; Middle 50% SAT Math

UGA: 55%, 63%, 51%, 560-660, 570-660
Texas: 51%, none given, 69%, 540-670, 570-700
Penn State: 51%, 31%, 45%, 530-630, 560-670
Maryland: 47%, 65%, 56%, 570-680, 600-700
UVA: 35%, 85%, 87%, 590-700, 610-720
W&M: 34%, 77%, 79%, 630-740, 620-710
UNC: 35%, 93%, 76%, 600-700, 610-700
Cal: 23%, 93%, 98%, 590-710, 630-760

compare with

Cornell: 21%, none given, 87%, 630-770, 660-730
Penn: 16%, 65%, 96%, 650-750, 680-770
Dartmouth: 15%, 62%, 91%, 660-770, 670-780
Brown: 14%, none given, 92%, 660-760, 670-770
Columbia: 11%, none given, none given, 660-760, 670-780
Princeton:10%, 82%, 96% 690-790,700-790
Yale: 10%, none given, 97%, 700-800, 700-790
Harvard: 9%, none given, 95%, 700-800, 700-790

UGA and Texas (and most of the other "public Ivies") are not even close.

Elephant Walk still has the North/South issue up his....
With Ivy being North, he will do anything to boost up SEC and SWC to their level, even at the expense of making us all laugh:D

violetpretty 08-21-2008 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by InHerShoes (Post 1702541)
I think that too often on this site girls are accused of dropping out of recruitment because they thought the houses they had left were "bottom tier." Why do we assume that is the case? This girl could have had two "top tier" chapters left that she simply couldn't see herself in.
Yeah right. It doesn't happen like that. Do you know how the RFM works? Besides, that girl was a sophomore and received 4 invites for round 2. I HIGHLY doubt her only remaining options two "top tier" chapters where she didn't feel comfortable. If you don't click with a "top tier" chapter, it's going to be obvious, and you're going to get cut (unless you're a celebrity in some way), because they have plenty of other girls that would be dying to join and they have to make big cuts. Hell, even if you do click at a top tier chapter, you still have a good chance of being cut.

Quote:
Originally Posted by InHerShoes (Post 1702541)
Which is worse? Knowing that you wouldn't be happy with any of the sororities that invited you to preference and dropping out of recruitment? or knowing that you wouldn't be happy with any of the sororities that invited you to preference but attending the parties, signing a bid card, and dropping out after bid day, thus taking the spot of a girl who would have been HAPPY in that group?
I don't mean to sound like I think every girl should sign a bid card, because really, she'll just drag her pledge class down with her if she doesn't want to be there. What I DO advocate, rather strongly, is going to all parties to which you were invited and have room for through preference AND keeping an open mind throughout recruitment. If after seeing your preference chapters 4 times and giving them the chance to change your mind and win you over, you STILL don't feel like you could be at home there, fine. It's not the action of dropping out that ticks me off, it's the "I'm too good for these chapters" attitude that causes the PNM to drop out.

AGDee 08-21-2008 07:24 PM
To me, at these huge chapters like UGA, Auburn and Bama, there are so many women in each chapter that I cannot believe that no matter who joined a chapter, there would be SOMEONE else in that chapter they would click with. There's no way that all 180 members of a chapter have identical interests, attitudes or personalities. These groups most certainly have groups within the larger group who hang out primarily together. I get the impression it is largely by pledge class. If that's the case, then it's really dependent on who else is in your pledge class rather than who else is actually in the chapter. In every chapter at UGA, I'm sure there are scholars, athletes, beauty queens, computer geeks, etc. In that way, I think a PNM could end up feeling at home in any of the chapters easily.

BBelleADPi 08-21-2008 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1702550)
To me, at these huge chapters like UGA, Auburn and Bama, there are so many women in each chapter that I cannot believe that no matter who joined a chapter, there would be SOMEONE else in that chapter they would click with. There's no way that all 180 members of a chapter have identical interests, attitudes or personalities. These groups most certainly have groups within the larger group who hang out primarily together. I get the impression it is largely by pledge class. If that's the case, then it's really dependent on who else is in your pledge class rather than who else is actually in the chapter. In every chapter at UGA, I'm sure there are scholars, athletes, beauty queens, computer geeks, etc. In that way, I think a PNM could end up feeling at home in any of the chapters easily.
Golf clap.

alum 08-22-2008 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by violetpretty (Post 1702092)
Don't make me choke. I would agree that UGA and Texas are among the best public schools in the country. Is that what you meant by "public Ivy"? While UGA and Texas are on par with (or slightly below) other competitive presitigious public schools like Penn State, Maryland, UVA, William & Mary, UNC, etc, they pale in comparison to actual Ivy League schools. Keep in mind, I am not knocking the quality of these schools, because I went to one, just that I think the term "public Ivy" is laughable.
I absolutely agree with you. However, there are several books out there defining the public ivy institution.

William and Mary, UVA, UNC-CH, UC Berkeley, Michigan (AA), UVM, Miami of Ohio, and UT Austin were the original "public ivies". The phrase was used by a college admissions counselor from Yale to define the 8 public higher education institutions most similar to the true Ivies. Another college admissions expert later expanded the list to include other publics by region. UGa is on the 2nd list.

DSTRen13 08-23-2008 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1701951)
I've even know a couple of kids who got into Tech who didn't get into UGA. Weird I know.
Not so weird :) Tech cares about things UGA doesn't, UGA cares about things Tech doesn't, especially depending on your intended major.

I know it's blasphemy, but U(sic)GA actually isn't a bad school for certain things ... It's just that dog is so UGLY.

irishpipes 08-23-2008 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by alum (Post 1702745)
Another college admissions expert later expanded the list to include other publics by region. UGa is on the 2nd list.
I wonder who that expert was. Hmmm

texas*princess 08-23-2008 08:01 PM
^^^ Someone who was very prestigious and top tier, that's for sure!

preciousjeni 08-23-2008 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTRen13 (Post 1703742)
I know it's blasphemy, but U(sic)GA actually isn't a bad school for certain things ... It's just that dog is so UGLY.
Ok TECHIE. You just keep that mess up and see what happens.

alum 08-23-2008 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 1703760)
Quote:
Originally Posted by alum
Another college admissions expert later expanded the list to include other publics by region. UGa is on the 2nd list.
I wonder who that expert was. Hmmm
The second book that expanded the list is entitled The Public Ivies: America's Flagship Public Universities. It was co-authored by independent college consultants, Howard and Matthew Greene.

DSTRen13 08-23-2008 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1703771)
Ok TECHIE.
Damn straight!http://dept.gatech.edu/adam/buzz/buzz_ns.gif

preciousjeni 08-23-2008 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DSTRen13 (Post 1703800)
http://www.skevi.com/images/DE710038.jpeg
Took care of that for ya.

UGAalum94 08-24-2008 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by irishpipes (Post 1703760)
I wonder who that expert was. Hmmm
Uga?

He's a very smart dog even if Tech graduates find him cosmetically challenged.

(Personally, I think "Public Ivy" is pushing it for a description of UGA, but it seems to be getting better all the time, and if a student can get in and isn't interested in the programs Tech excels at, the HOPE grant makes it even more attractive.)

peaches321 08-24-2008 06:37 AM
Lol. Loving that Raid can. Now that recruitment is winding down, we pick on each other. Isn't the real point that Tech and UGA are both excellent public universities? ;)

gtdxeric 08-25-2008 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1704073)
Uga?

He's a very smart dog even if Tech graduates find him cosmetically challenged.
"OK Uga, bark once if we should call an unreasonable amount of schools 'Public Ivies' in our new book, so that PR offices and alumni of as many schools as possible will hype our book and bring it up in conversation, thereby fueling sales and making us rich, rich, rich. I know it sounds silly, but we'll give you a milkbone if it works."

(woof)

"Good boy. Now, bark twice if percentage of applicants admitted is a reliable measure of a school's quality of education."

(woof woof)

"Good dog! Now, let's get you out on the field. Remember, just like we practiced..."

( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGHh14uvKk )

UGAalum94 08-25-2008 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by gtdxeric (Post 1704747)
"OK Uga, bark once if we should call an unreasonable amount of schools 'Public Ivies' in our new book, so that PR offices and alumni of as many schools as possible will hype our book and bring it up in conversation, thereby fueling sales and making us rich, rich, rich. I know it sounds silly, but we'll give you a milkbone if it works."

(woof)

"Good boy. Now, bark twice if percentage of applicants admitted is a reliable measure of a school's quality of education."

(woof woof)

"Good dog! Now, let's get you out on the field. Remember, just like we practiced..."

( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foGHh14uvKk )
Maybe it WAS Uga's nefarious scheme all along.

It sounds like your objections are to college rankings generally, which probably puts a damper on Tech being so well ranked last week. Or is that somehow more merit based?;)

gtdxeric 08-26-2008 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by UGAalum94 (Post 1705068)
It sounds like your objections are to college rankings generally, which probably puts a damper on Tech being so well ranked last week. Or is that somehow more merit based?;)
I try not to let my love for and pride in my school be grounded in the wiggles and variations of something that US News came up with to sell magazines, that's all.

UGAalum94 08-26-2008 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gtdxeric (Post 1705439)
I try not to let my love for and pride in my school be grounded in the wiggles and variations of something that US News came up with to sell magazines, that's all.
Yeah, and that they manipulate slightly every year so as to seem to have new information to sell magazines.

I'm happy to see in-state kids have such great college options that may translate into degrees that employers recognize and value, but I don't know how much the rankings really contribute.


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