I blame Sean Puffy Combs for making this word "cool." :rolleyes:

I got it but we always have to remember our larger audience. :)

33girl has paraphrased my issue the best.

The issue is not whether or not a redheaded organization is good or bad. The issue is that my chapter has an interpretation of what it means to be members of a redheaded organization that espouses redheaded beliefs. We believe this can be accomplished (maybe even more effectively) while still initiating blondes and brunettes. National seems to think that, except for the occasional blonde who just really wishes they were a redhead or who just really loves redheaded culture (and they think 1 initiate a year on our campus would be a high estimate of the frequency), you cannot be a redheaded organization unless you are 100% redhead. I bet with any one of you, unless you have some sort of ritualistic response to a question along the lines of "what do your organization's ideals mean to you" that if you asked that question to 10 of your members, you would get 10 different answers. Is that a reason to kick us out? I refuse to leave or be forced out of my organization. I have poured too much of my life into it and gotten so much in return that to throw it all away would disgust me.

If I gave you this advice already, please forgive me.

Know your ritual, constitution, bylaws, standing rules, and rules of order to perfection.

They can only do to your chapter what you all allow them to do to your chapter.

To me, this sounds really condescending (OMG I'm not a redhead but redheads are sooooo cool! Damn my parents for being blonde and popping me out blonde!) and I can't imagine why your national would want you to take people like this.

I agree with what has been said before. The only thing national can do to you is what you let them do. If you still embody the rituals and values of your organization, they had reason to kick you out. And honestly if they still kick you out, that just proves that they aren't the kind of organization you want to be part of. Like I mentioned before there are local orgs that have been founded because of these same issues. My own org has gained a couple of chapters because of this as well. I understand your desire to remain part of this orginazation you gave so much to. But if they don't want you, why should you wish to be included with them.

I forgot that "ONLY" part... I guess you were the only one that got it. And some folks have a "following"--and it's not me, 'cuz I ain't got nobuddy... LOL.

LOL. I don't know what having a "following" means.

What I mean by "audience" is that some posts are an acquired taste. :p You have to switch it up if you want to avoid having to explain your post.

At this time, avoiding post explanations, what can I say? Folks will think what the want to think about me no matter what I write. Call it "visual/tactile mis-reading" or whatever...

Ohhhhhhhh you're doing the "tormented and misunderstood intellectual" thing again? Woman, stop it. ;)

No, I am not tormented. I have plenty of other things to worry about than to be harangue by the misinterpretation of my messages.

Hey, if some GCers need to label me and judge me, that's fine. We all make choices here.

Pardon me for a moment, ladies. I don't understand the OP's situation at all. From what's been posted, the actions of the national aren't legal. Is this actually a culture/race issue or was that to throw us off a bit? I could understand if it's a music fraternity that says you have to be a music major. But, race-based discrimination can get Greeks into a heap of trouble if it's found out.

I have a hunch it's not race-based but based on another type of personal status. EG read the original post.

It sounds more like an ethnicity situation than race, per se. But that's just my guess ...

I asked the same question, but got accused that I hate NIC/NPC groups... LOL...



And DSTChaos-

REALLY, you will be reminiscing about me!!! http://www.pledgepark.com/images/smilies/jumping.gif

I didn't assume it was race-based until the OP said something about the one random redhead-culture loving brunette.

It really started sounding like an Asian frat to me, but that's just me.

You know, I was talking to Ch2tf about that just moments ago.

I would have guessed Jewish, but I don't think any of the Jewish fraternities I'm familiar with would be this stupid.

Well, based on the original post and the title of the thread, I have assumed it's race-based (and that religion was just thrown in there to broaden it a little).

But DSTRen13 may be right and the OP may not be distinguising between race and ethnicity.

Has this poster ever posted again?:confused:

4 1/2 hours ago.

I just found out what this is all about through a civil discussion with another GCer...

Achilles--

Where are your graduate advisors or councils? Shouldn't they be helping you with this matter? You need a major back up team support. You should not be fighting this solely by yourself. And if it is that serious, then get a lawyer.

No.

Most of us just read the first post and learned what it was all about.

I actually don't know what this thread's about. I've been responding about everything but the original post. LOL.

I'm just curious - how does nationals KNOW the "colour of hair" of the members of our mythical GLO? Is that really put on the membership form? Or are they looking at composites?

Maybe they have somebody do chapter visits every now and then.

Maybe they just take a look at the names on the member roster.

Let's say this is an Asian fraternity, there's a difference between Michael Jones and Hun Lo.

True. But even then it can take a while. It took Psi U a couple of years to realize that one of our chapters was initiating females.

Absolutely unheard of. Who would think you would do something like that? Crazy upside down world.

Thanks for joining me in this endeavor.

Maybe other members in the chapter were disgruntled and brought it to the NO.

That is a good way of explaining it. I think there are a lot of us that chose the chapter and not the national/international organization, especially as college freshmen making this kind of decision. Learning through the new member process about the national organization is what made me appreciate mine.

With APO, in the years prior to going co-ed, they would masculinize the names (Janet Lee becomes James Lee) or just go with first initials. And this was a very fast change relatively speaking, I don't think any of the chapters pledged women illegally prior to 1967 when we stopped requiring scouting background and by 1974, allowing women to be affiliate members was probably the only thing that kept the fraternity from tearing itself apart (women were allowed as full members in 1976, chapter option; 30 years later it was no longer chapter option)

i wonder what happened with the OP....

lol wow.