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IlovemyAKA 07-15-2009 10:53 PM

I fell asleep during the midnight showing. I saw most of it though.


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I'm with Jenny. Why in the hell did they burn down The Burrow? Overall, I liked it better than the 5th one...

I was asleep by the time Dumbledore died, but I'm sad to hear that there was no big fight scene. I wasn't supposed to see it until Sunday afternoon with some friends anyway so I'll catch the end this weekend.

ASUADPi 07-16-2009 09:46 AM

Since book 6 was my least favorite book in the series, the movie is now my least favorite movie of the series.

What I found annoying, was what others have said, them leaving out important stuff that, well is kind of important for book 7.

I hope since Warner Brothers is splitting book 7 (and we all know they are doing it for money since there are no more books), they BETTER follow that book pretty damn closely (IMPO).

polarpi 07-17-2009 06:03 PM

I wasn't too disappointed with the movie (especially since it's been a while since I read the book last, and forgot a lot of the book that I'm sure may change my opinion of the movie once I *do* reread it :D)...but my mom, who hasn't read the books, hasn't really seen the movies, and I dragged with me to go see it on Wednesday, said that she "got into" the movie - take it for what you will :)

Back to an earlier question on the thread, if I ranked the movies in order of preference, my list would go: 1, 4, 3, 5, 6, 2 (I couldn't stand the Chamber of Secrets when I read it, and don't care to watch the movie whenever ABC Family does its "Harry Potter weekend" showings).

Little32 07-17-2009 07:56 PM

I actually liked this one much better than 5. I particularly liked many of the choices that the director made. They did leave out quite a bit, but as I have read the books, I was able to fill in the blanks where necessary (I also had to do it for the friend that I saw it with.)

Book 7 was my least favorite; well, at least the silly way that it ended. But I am excited to see how the film series concludes.

IlovemyAKA 07-17-2009 08:18 PM

I liked what I saw (except the burrow/forest scene), & agree that it was definitely better than 5.

jojapeach 07-18-2009 10:45 PM

As a movie, this was pretty good. I like 5 better than this one - only after watching it a second time.

However, this was my first time watching the movie after reading the actual book, and it was somewhat of a letdown. Too much of the plot that I read just a month ago (2nd time) was fresh in my mind but not on the screen. SPOILER ALERT BELOW








Generally speaking, they stuck with too much of the beginning of the book and cut out far too much of the end. I wanted the battle and funeral! I felt so cheated when I got neither. Plus, there was really just an allusion to Harry's relationship with Ginny. Disappointing for me. :(

The best thing to come out of this movie for me was recognizing that I obviously need to read books 1 - 5 because I must be missing some important stuff.
Specifically,

jennyj87 07-19-2009 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1826189)
jenny...

Pleasepleaseplease put a spoiler alert before you post on new movie releases.

Thanks

Sorry! I fixed it :)

nikki1920 07-19-2009 11:58 AM

The movie was a set up for Deathly Hallows. If you look at it that way, it makes sense. I liked the relationship stuff (the scene with Hermione and Harry was really sweet), but the ending SUCKED!! I wanted my money back after that. I'm ready for Deathly Hallows.

RaggedyAnn 07-20-2009 07:56 AM

I was dissappointed. I thought the actors were lackluster-except for the actress that plays Lovegood and Ron's girlfriend. Maybe they are just getting tired? I also can't believe they didn't show the scar until the very end of the movie. I also wish they didn't play the soundtrack louder to get you into the movie. It was there, but not very umphy (like they do with all the Superman films).

SydneyK 07-20-2009 08:56 AM

There are some obvious details that were left out for whatever reason, and there were some odd things thrown in. I'm not quite sure I understand why the director made the decisions he made, but I'm hoping it'll make sense when Deathly Hallows comes out.

I think my biggest frustration from this movie stems from my not understanding who the target audience was. Generally, when a movie is based on a book, it's clear when the director is targeting mostly those who have read the book or, alternatively, mostly those who have not. With HP & the HBP, I can't tell who was targeted because the movie misses the mark with both camps.

For instance, for those who have read the books, whenever there were gaps in the movie's details, we can use what we read to fill in those gaps. Some of the details were too important to leave out, though, leaving those who haven't read the book wondering WTF is going on.

I liked it - I definitely have complaints, but since I've never seen a book-based movie that was as good as the book, I always expect to be let down on some level. I'm definitely looking forward to Deathly Hallows...

DaemonSeid 07-20-2009 10:40 AM

What this movie should have been called:

As the Potter Turns

Real Word: Hogwarts

Harry Potter and the Raging Hormone

Potter of Love

Sex and the Sorceror

33girl 07-20-2009 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1827216)
What this movie should have been called:

As the Potter Turns

Real World: Hogwarts

Harry Potter and the Raging Hormone

Potter of Love

Sex and the Sorceror

They already did the bolded on The Soup this past week.

How many more of these things are left? (Not a HP reader, haven't the slightest interest, just want to know when it's all going to be over)

BabyPiNK_FL 07-20-2009 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jennyj87 (Post 1826184)
they didn't even explain the "half blood prince" meaning.

Someone explain this to me. I don't read the books. why would you name the movie after the book and make it such a plot point and then not explain it? they totally wasted that actors time (and he's such a good actor)!

one thing i did love was helena bonham carter, they kept making excuses to show her (yay!) but gave her nothing much to do (boo!).

DaemonSeid 07-20-2009 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1827231)
They already did the bolded on The Soup this past week.

How many more of these things are left? (Not a HP reader, haven't the slightest interest, just want to know when it's all going to be over)

Wow....and I don't watch The Soup....LOL!

2 more movies (they split the last book into two movies)

And if that isn't enough...this movie is slated to be the "next big fantasy series"

Percy Jackson and the Olympians

Somehow I remember someone saying this about The Magic Compass

christiangirl 07-20-2009 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BabyPiNK_FL (Post 1827241)
Someone explain this to me. I don't read the books. why would you name the movie after the book and make it such a plot point and then not explain it? they totally wasted that actors time (and he's such a good actor)!

I won't even go through my whole schpiel about how much I loved the movie even though I was totally distracted by how many things were left out--too tired, I'll do it later, but I can answer this question right quick. (I think you literally did want to know? If not, well then I'm explaining it for the other people who didn't read the books. ;))

"Half-Blood Prince" is the nickname Snape gave to himself while in school. His mother, Eileen Prince was a witch and his father was a Muggle (no magical blood). As far as wizarding genes goes, he's only a half-blood, thanks to the Prince side of the family.

But I did wonder (and I may have said this before, I'm sleepy, I can't remember)...who noticed that Lavender was a black girl three movies ago? I caught the change immediately (and confirmed it through Wiki), but I'm not sure if anyone else was looking that closely.

nikki1920 07-20-2009 02:13 PM

YEP. I caught that too.

DaemonSeid 07-20-2009 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christiangirl (Post 1827276)
I won't even go through my whole schpiel about how much I loved the movie even though I was totally distracted by how many things were left out--too tired, I'll do it later, but I can answer this question right quick. (I think you literally did want to know? If not, well then I'm explaining it for the other people who didn't read the books. ;))

"Half-Blood Prince" is the nickname Snape gave to himself while in school. His mother, Eileen Prince was a witch and his father was a Muggle (no magical blood). As far as wizarding genes goes, he's only a half-blood, thanks to the Prince side of the family.

But I did wonder (and I may have said this before, I'm sleepy, I can't remember)...who noticed that Lavender was a black girl three movies ago? I caught the change immediately (and confirmed it through Wiki), but I'm not sure if anyone else was looking that closely.

She was such a minor character few would have noticed or cared.

nikki1920 07-20-2009 03:37 PM

Only the HP geeks like you and I, CG, would catch that.

*still mad at DS and he knows WHY* *makes evil face at him*

DaemonSeid 07-20-2009 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki1920 (Post 1827294)
Only the HP geeks like you and I, CG, would catch that.

*still mad at DS and he knows WHY* *makes evil face at him*

and you want him to make it up to you how, exactly?




South Park? LOL

nikki1920 07-20-2009 04:23 PM

Harold and Kumar Go To White Castle.

preciousjeni 07-20-2009 04:47 PM

The movie ended too abruptly for me. People in the theater were like "is there more"??? LOL! It seemed an odd way to end. This was my least favorite thus far.

nikki1920 07-20-2009 05:06 PM

EXACTLY!! It felt like they cut the last 15 minutes or something! And how freaking tall IS Dean Thomas?! lol

DaemonSeid 07-20-2009 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki1920 (Post 1827313)
Harold and Kumar Go To White Castle.

ok...name a day and I gotcha for it

IlovemyAKA 07-20-2009 08:51 PM

I didn't know that about Lavender.

jojapeach 07-20-2009 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1827319)
The movie ended too abruptly for me. People in the theater were like "is there more"??? LOL! It seemed an odd way to end. This was my least favorite thus far.

Quote:

Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1827319)
The movie ended too abruptly for me. People in the theater were like "is there more"??? LOL! It seemed an odd way to end. This was my least favorite thus far.

I forgot that part! My nieces, nephew, and I arrived so early that the credits were still rolling at the end. There were about 20 people still in their seats just waiting through the credits as if this was an Eddie Murphy movie with bloopers and outtakes at the end. When we finished the movie, the four of us in my party were still in our seats waiting because there just had to be more than that.

That's news to me about Lavendar, too.

Lastly, the book is always better, but this was just too much off the mark. I know the book and characters have evolved, and the story is about more than discovering magic and witchcraft. But the magic wasn't there for me. Even my nieces fell asleep.

I think both parts of The Deathly Hallows will be utterly amazing. They have to be.

BabyPiNK_FL 07-21-2009 01:52 AM

Thanks Christiangirl. THat is EXACTLY what I wanted to know! I knew there was an interesting story behind it, I wish they had EXPLAINED that. It was so annoying to sit there and have it seem so important and then have it mean nothing at all!

I don't like that they switched out Lavender. Black girls can kiss gingers too. (My boyfriend was born with red hair!)
ETA: On second thought I'm glad they changed her ethnicity.

lyrelyre 07-23-2009 04:59 PM

Overall, I enjoyed the movie. I don't know if I still need to do this; but just in case:


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Someone may have already said this, but: why did Ginny hide the textbook? That's when Harry found the diadem. I feel like this is a crucial thing to have changed.

Also, does anyone else think that it was a big mistake to leave Dobby out of the 4th, 5th, and 6th movies? He's kind of a big deal in Deathly Hallows and he has only made an appearance in the 2nd movie. How difficult would it have been for Dobby to give Harry the gillyweed in Goblet of Fire, find the Room of Requirement in Order of the Phoenix, and make some kind of cameo in Half Blood Prince?

DaemonSeid 07-23-2009 05:12 PM

Something else that popped in my head too and maybe it will be explained more in the next movie (don't know if anyoen made mention of this) but remember: the Horcruxes had significant meaning and they weren't just things and I cant remember if they got into it in this book or not but it's not really explained fully why Voldemort needed 7 of them.

nikki1920 07-23-2009 05:27 PM

Something special about the number 7, I believe. Dobby was expensive and not really essential to the story. Kind of like how they swiched Cho and the chick from Slytherin in the last film.

IlovemyAKA 07-23-2009 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by nikki1920 (Post 1828326)
Dobby was expensive and not really essential to the story. .

I'm sure they'll do flashbacks from the 2nd movie to remind viewers of the character.

lyrelyre 07-24-2009 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nikki1920 (Post 1828326)
Dobby was expensive and not really essential to the story.

I feel like he is essential to the story, just not in those books. I'm sure they'll figure something out. Perhaps the fact the he saves them from Malfoy manor will seem a sufficient reason to mourn his death to the extent Harry does. I'm interested to see how they address the diadem. Maybe Ginny will remember seeing it.

christiangirl 07-24-2009 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1828314)
Something else that popped in my head too and maybe it will be explained more in the next movie (don't know if anyoen made mention of this) but remember: the Horcruxes had significant meaning and they weren't just things and I cant remember if they got into it in this book or not but it's not really explained fully why Voldemort needed 7 of them.

That's right..I don't think they explained that he made so many because 7 is the most powerful number in magic and he felt making 7 would ensure immortality. DD said it in the book, but I can't remember if he said it in the movie.

Oh well, looks like I'll have to go see it again! :D

tangelo212 07-25-2009 03:04 AM

lyrelyre, good point about the diadem. There are so many more examples I can think of that they NEEDED to put in this movie because of the role they play in the next... Not sure if these are spoiler alerts or not (maybe for the books but probably not the movie), but just in case...

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Ok, HOW HOW HOW could they leave out the prophecy!?!?!?! Seriously, the whole POINT of the entire second half of the Order of the Phoenix movie was based on the death eaters trying to get it, and Harry's visions, the ministry break-in, the big battle, Sirius's death, etc. so that they couldn't get it. And now the non-reading audience doesn't have "neither can live while the other survives" in their heads. WTF. I also think it gives Voldemort a motive for trying to kill infant Harry, motive for creating the horcruxes, and also brings dear, dear Neville (who I love and was disappointed by his non-existent role in this film) into the story line a bit more, and also sets up his (Neville's) killing of Nagini in Deathly Hallows.


Why was the scene in the Pensieve where Dumbledore shows Harry the Gaunt's house and explains the ring, Riddle's lineage, his murdering of his parents excluded? I think it is crucial to the plot as well as the development of the depth of Voldemort's evil, and quite foolish to leave it out.


And the ring. did. not. have. the Deathly Hallows mark on it! HOW could the ring be so lame? It's supposed to be this large disc with a crack in it, with the DH symbol on it. Seriously. How hard is it to make the ring the same as in the story? Instead they had some wimpy-ass little thing. And now, for the next movies, they will somehow have to make up for this oversight in not making it legit. How can you change something that is related to the title of the next book/film? Did the screenwriters even read the books?!


These are the three main things I can't believe were excluded to put in an extraneous scene of the Burrow burning. I hope my frustration comes through in this post. Otherwise, I really enjoyed the film. Honestly.

Xanthus 07-25-2009 05:36 AM

I'll probably wait for the DVD. Potter movies are always DVD waits for me.

IlovemyAKA 07-26-2009 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tangelo212 (Post 1828933)

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Ok, HOW HOW HOW could they leave out the prophecy!?!?!?! Seriously, the whole POINT of the entire second half of the Order of the Phoenix movie was based on the death eaters trying to get it, and Harry's visions, the ministry break-in, the big battle, Sirius's death, etc. so that they couldn't get it. And now the non-reading audience doesn't have "neither can live while the other survives" in their heads. WTF.

That was really big for the 5th one though, not so much for the 6th. Flashbacks to 5 could take care of this. I agree with the rest.

jojapeach 07-26-2009 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tangelo212 (Post 1828933)
Why was the scene in the Pensieve where Dumbledore shows Harry the Gaunt's house and explains the ring, Riddle's lineage, his murdering of his parents excluded? I think it is crucial to the plot as well as the development of the depth of Voldemort's evil, and quite foolish to leave it out.

That got me, too, but I have to presume it would have been a huge special effects effort to pull off everything regarding the Gaunts and Riddles. They've always gone into special effects before, but it seems they're cutting back more and more. Maybe they'll pull out all the stops for Deathly Hallows I & II.

I also have to agree with most of what you said...except enjoying the movie. It was just cool and going through the HP motions to get to HP & the DH. *sigh*

MysticCat 08-13-2009 10:13 AM

Well, I finally got a chance to see it. What a let-down.

I really thought that I had read/seen enough about the liberties taken and changes made from the book that I was prepared, but I wasn't. There were some good and well-done parts, but they really mangled the overall story.

I think I am now dreading Deathly Hallows I and II.

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1827245)
And if that isn't enough...this movie is slated to be the "next big fantasy series"

Percy Jackson and the Olympians

Now this I'm looking forward to -- loved seeing the trailer before HBP. I think I've mentioned them before at GC, but the Percy Jackson series (recently completed with book 5) is awesome. My 11-year-old likes it better than Harry Potter -- it really got him interested in Greek mythology. His copies of the fourth and fifth books are signed by Rick Riordan, the author, who came to a local bookstore.

For my money, I'm hooked on any book/series where the first chapter is entitled "I Accidentally Vaporize My Pre-Algebra Teacher."

And I really like this background (borrowed from The Wiki, but edited a little to match what Riordan said when we heard him): Development for both The Lightning Thief and the Percy Jackson series as a whole commenced when Riordan, a teacher and author of several adult mysteries, first began making stories for his son Haley, who had recently been diagnosed with ADHD and dyslexia. His son had been studying Greek mythology in second grade and requested that his father tell him myths at bedtimes. Riordan had taught Greek mythology in middle school for many years and was able to remember enough stories to please his son. Eventually he ran out of myths and his son then requested that he "make one up." So, Riordan created the fictional character Percy Jackson and made the story of how he would travel across The United States to recover Zeus's lightning bolt. Riordan gave Percy ADHD and dyslexia, like his son. (It seems both traits are common among half-bloods (demi-gods) -- ADHD because of the need to be ready to fight a battle and dyslexia because the brain is working simultaneously in English and ancient Greek.) The bedtime stories turned into the books.

I highly recommend these books.

nikki1920 08-13-2009 10:36 AM

I think the plan is to go all out for DH 1 and 2. Percy Jackson looks very interesting... lol

lyrelyre 08-13-2009 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki1920 (Post 1828326)
Kind of like how they swiched Cho and the chick from Slytherin in the last film.

Did I miss something? I have no idea what this means.

gimmeacall 08-16-2009 10:41 PM

i was mean to watch this movie this week .. but all of my friend said this one is suck ... the suckest one in the Hp history .. so i give up


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