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RU OX Alum 05-01-2008 08:42 AM

I'm betting no one will remember her in 5-10 years

33girl 05-01-2008 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1643166)
You're tilting here for no real reason.

In fact, I'll go so far as to say that your opinion actually agrees with the main point: sexualizing adolescents (especially girls) has been a part of culture (and legitimate art) for centuries, and this example is just another silly data point. You're agreeing with this premise implicitly in this post - which I think is good, because I think it's borderline self-evident, and it should give a lot more context to why this should not be the shit circus it has become.

No, I'm disagreeing because he's saying Jodie Foster playing a character that caused controversy because she was young & sexy (and played it to perfection, which was another thing that raised eyebrows - how damn good she was in it) is the same as Miley Cyrus being herself in pictures that caused controversy because she's young & sexy.

Now if Miley was in a movie and playing a teen who has sex for the first time complete with graphic scenes, that would be a better comparison.

I never said I thought the pics were horrible or anything, just that for her managers/parents to blame Vanity Fair & AL on anything is ridiculous when they had to sign off on it. Backpedaling.

DSTCHAOS 05-01-2008 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DSTRen13 (Post 1643237)
I like Raven. I see her moving on to Lifetime movies or something once she can no longer at ALL possibly believably play her TV character anymore.

Probably. :)

On that note, child actors have always played teenage-young adult roles well beyond their years. Raven's facial age won't give her away for a couple more years but her body type might make her obviously older in a couple more years.

DaemonSeid 05-01-2008 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1643460)
No, I'm disagreeing because he's saying Jodie Foster playing a character that caused controversy because she was young & sexy (and played it to perfection, which was another thing that raised eyebrows - how damn good she was in it) is the same as Miley Cyrus being herself in pictures that caused controversy because she's young & sexy.

Now if Miley was in a movie and playing a teen who has sex for the first time complete with graphic scenes, that would be a better comparison.

I never said I thought the pics were horrible or anything, just that for her managers/parents to blame Vanity Fair & AL on anything is ridiculous when they had to sign off on it. Backpedaling.

Slow down there..I never brought up that she played it to perfection...but yes...the point I was trying to raise is that very young actors and actresses have have done some very controversial things in the course of their careers very early on and suffered no real ill effects from it.

Heck, compared to what I have seen on TV today, I don't think Foster's performance wasn't that big of a deal...BUT considerign the time period and the graphic violence of the scene she was involved in at the end of the movie, I can see how in the 70s is was a big deal.

DSTCHAOS 05-01-2008 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1643428)
I'm betting no one will remember her in 5-10 years

They may vaguely remember she existed because the industry has been saturated with her. I don't see her singing or acting talents as anything worth remembering.

amanda6035 05-01-2008 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SigKapSweetie (Post 1642807)
Any time someone mentions the impact of child stardom on adulthood, it makes me think of poor Jonathan Brandis. :( He was my first crush!

OMG, the first BOP magazine I ever bought was because of Jonathan Brandis!





Also - I'm surprised nobody mentioned Julia Stiles.

33girl 05-01-2008 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1643465)
Slow down there..I never brought up that she played it to perfection...but yes...the point I was trying to raise is that very young actors and actresses have have done some very controversial things in the course of their careers very early on and suffered no real ill effects from it.

Oh, ok, I got cha now. We're good :) I thought you were saying Miley & Jodie were on the same level of skills (really not so much).

The difference is in the way they're handling it. Miley's already raised some eyebrows putting pics on myspace, now this? And then blaming it on the magazine? Jodie on the other hand, was very clear that "this was only a movie" and followed it up with something Disney, I believe. She never tried to "disown" being in the movie.

DSTCHAOS 05-01-2008 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by amanda6035 (Post 1643472)
Also - I'm surprised nobody mentioned Julia Stiles.

I didn't know that she counted as a child "star." Oh well. She's had a lot of roles but has been pretty much under the radar as far as the celebrity news is concerned.

While we're at it, Keenen and Kel and quite a few uncelebrated child stars have done pretty well for themselves.

nittanyalum 05-01-2008 10:11 AM

^^^I think Julia Stiles started out in NY on stage and in commercials, etc., as a kid before getting into movies as an older teen (but still a teen).

And don't forget Helen Hunt -- anyone remember the after school special where she was QB on the football team? :)

DSTCHAOS 05-01-2008 10:17 AM

ok almost all of the stars that we see now started when they were young. including Forest Whitaker's funny looking self on Fast Times at Ridgemont High. woohoo!!! But he might've been like 20, as are many stars who play high school students.

chitownxo 05-01-2008 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1643484)
^^^I think Julia Stiles started out in NY on stage and in commercials, etc., as a kid before getting into movies as an older teen (but still a teen).

And don't forget Helen Hunt -- anyone remember the after school special where she was QB on the football team? :)

Quarterback Princess ROCKED! It's on every couple of years. I always try and catch it and I always cry when she finds out after practice that her teammates bought her a dress. Sigh.

/end hijack

KSig RC 05-01-2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1643460)
No, I'm disagreeing because he's saying Jodie Foster playing a character that caused controversy because she was young & sexy (and played it to perfection, which was another thing that raised eyebrows - how damn good she was in it) is the same as Miley Cyrus being herself in pictures that caused controversy because she's young & sexy.

Now if Miley was in a movie and playing a teen who has sex for the first time complete with graphic scenes, that would be a better comparison.

I never said I thought the pics were horrible or anything, just that for her managers/parents to blame Vanity Fair & AL on anything is ridiculous when they had to sign off on it. Backpedaling.

I agree with your final point, pretty much completely.

I also agree that there isn't a direct comparison, but I think on the whole they are both indicative of a larger cultural/artistic meme that has existed since, well, at least the Renaissance. Probably forever.

nate2512 05-23-2008 10:43 PM

http://community.livejournal.com/ohn...49.html#cutid1

She just can't seem to help but try and take her clothes off.

nittanyalum 05-23-2008 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nate2512 (Post 1657033)
http://community.livejournal.com/ohn...49.html#cutid1

She just can't seem to help but try and take her clothes off.

I'll take bets she's pregnant or in rehab within two years...


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