Speculation as to why some people are taking this so hard:

when these people die young...it hurts because some of them go when they are about to really make it big in whatever it is that they do and usually when they die it's 'mysterious' or a 'tragic' manner and many of us are really unsettled because there is that untapped potential they had right at the point of death especially when they are close in age.

For instance...Bruce Lee and his son Brandon, were on the verge of mainstream stardom....

Aaliyah and left Eye also died in tragic accidents

Marilyn Monroe and Anna Nicole Smith are another 2 to come to mind...

Sorry I can't include Tupac and Biggie Smalls because IMO their deaths were senseless...however a lot of people were affected

There are a few others I can't name right off the bat but this is what comes to my mind when you have tragic deaths of celebs that right when they are about to hit it big are snatched from us....

Does that make sense?

For whatever question you thought you were answering. It certainly wasn't anything I posed. ;)

I was disturbed by Bruce (I was going to marry him but I didn't know he had already passed by the time I started watching his movies when I was little :()and Brandon Lee's deaths, as well as Aaliyah's. But that has more to do with the randomness of tragic accidents versus people who overdose or were involved in dangerous substances. Not saying one is sad and the other isn't, or that some people deserve to die, but causes of death are different and some are more "random and unexpected" than others.

Also not to be confused with people getting up in arms over the speculations and investigations of these deaths. As if they knew these people well enough to know what they were or were not involved in. And as if these people are somehow above speculations and investigations.

Well that's what happens when Hollywood "creates" an image. It makes impressions on people and they aren't usually the right ones. It isn't until they make completes arses of themselves (Brittany) or just drop dead that people start hearing "the other side" of that person's life.

Sometimes unless you really truly know that person do you have the story.

For instance....when Tupac died, I wasn't surprised....we went to the same high school for one year and really was nothing more than an annoying prick and nothing like the person we see.......then again...he went from annoying to super annoying...yet and still we have younger kids who idolize him because he was supposed to be this....great thinker, philosophical rapper......please...You want an idea what kind of person her was?

Watch Juice...that will put you in the ballpark.

I also don't like it when people do what you're doing.

You went to high school with Tupac for a year. Did you really know him, though? Is the high school Tupac the same as the grown man Tupac?

He may not have been a great thinker or a philosphical PERSON but his poems and lyrics are usually what Michael Eric Dyson and others highlight.

"Juice" is a movie and what you "knew" of Tupac was probably a surface level presentation just as most of our public interactions are.

What you typed is as silly as when people talk about how noncelebs were when they were in high school: "oh you think so-and-so is cute or cool NOW...but 15 years ago in high school...shoooot...he wore glasses, braces, and was an annoying dork...I know the real so-and-so because HE went to high school with me...." :rolleyes:

I agree. If someone from West Charlotte Class of 93 was on here, they would not remember me as the wonderfully, fanstastic person that you people on GC get to experience ...:D....I was straight hood, often disrespectful and fought all the time..I needed a hug or something....:o...anyhoo Thank God thats not me today...and that "high school persona" may not have been Pac at the time of his death....the man's lyrics and poetry can not be denied...

as for Heath..I'm never really surprised by news like this...celebs are real people and have the same problems and even more really because the fame itself is a problem...I'm saddened by the news but never shocked....

mmmmkay ...whuddever you say.... :D

still could use a hug sometimes don't ya!!! LOL

The Tupac I remember was a kid with a gumby haircut, rat tail wearing suspenders and khakis...regular nerd boy who thought he was hood...but hey...if y'all loved him...so be it...hehehehe

That's no secret. They've shown photos of his high school days along with other celebs' high school days. He had a gumbi (as many dudes did back then) and he looked dorky. Dorks try to be hood all the time for whatever reasons...blah.

So basically you don't know more than we do about him. Okay. ;)

I didn't say I knew him personally...nor did I say I had intimate knowledge of him...for one...he went to Dunbar for a year and for 2 he was 2 years behind me in my younger cousin's home room. He got kicked out because he was on the wrong end of too many fights. The only class we had together was gym and he terrorized the girls (like normal high school boys would)...and then there was the time he got his arse kicked by the varsity football team for popping the wrong bra strap.

I wasn't one that got chummy with dorks.

Oh so your Tupac tale was just to announce that you two went to the same high school. Cute. :)

duh...pretty much....and u were expecting more becaaaauuuseeee?

I went to high school with TWO people who were on Teen Summit!

(One was my friend. He got fired and replaced with the one I had a crush on. Scandal!)

I loved Teen Summit!!

You should write a tell-all!! :D

You don't have to like it....boo hoo...someone talking bad about the dead...and to answer your question:

Is the high school Tupac the same as the grown man Tupac?


Let me put it this way...with all the dumb shit he was in the news for, it's no wonder he wound up shot to death at an early age....

Hmmm....let's see

He wanted to be a thug when he was younger...he got his wish.

shot at some cops, stayed in and out of jail, shot at other people (remember the incident where he allegedly shot a CHILD???)...raped a few women....(most of this is well documented)

no wonder he died before he hit 30....

So in a way, his 16 year old self was actually a lot less harmful than his 26 year old self that died senselessly.

Take it how you want it.

He had a history of doing drugs, was found dead in his bed with sleeping pills everywhere and a rolled up 20$ bill next to his bed.

No, we don't know what "really" happened, and won't for a week or two.........but that little bit of evidence screams like a drug induced death. May not have been an overdose but if he was mixing coke (hence rolled up 20$) and downers like Valium, Zoloft, and Ambien, which were all found in his apartment, he could have easily stopped his heart or something similar.

Did you overlook my post the first time around? All of a sudden you're typing with bravado or whatever. LOL.

Anywho, BLAH. You announced you went to high school with Tupac like it mattered. The end.

actually yeah...I must have...for good reason...ended

*slips a hand in the air*

I went to college with Eva from ANTM. I can completely vouch that she was the diva she was presented to be on TV. She's totally mean and talks about people and plots to write in other's brownies like there's no tomorrow. I never met her and didn't know she went there until she dropped out, but she was only a couple pages away from me in the yearbook, so I'm still qualified to make that statement.

*walks out* :)

Let's hope Perez Hilton doesn't get hold of this info!!!! :(

LOL.

I don't know why, but Heath's death made me go look up this video:

Jen's Video - Dawson's Creek Finale

You're right, we don't really know. And this is just a theory, but I have heard of people taking prescription medication and snorting it to make it take effect quicker/longer/more intensely. Maybe he snorted some of the prescription meds (hence the $20 being rolled up and coming up negative for cocaine) to relax quicker. It would also be easier to OD this way, since it would not take as much medication to OD as it would if he was swallowing the pills.

I always loved that scene..

Random thought...

I don't know why LA and NYC haven't thought about this. But, why haven't they thought to hold up sheets, or building something that can be easily put together and pulled apart to block the view of the media during scenes like removing Heath Ledger's body from the building? (I know, grammar police, it is a run-on sentence.) I was more than disturbed by the swarm of media trying to get the "money shot" of the body going into the van, especially when they hit a bump....

Random thought, probably to common sense for anyone to think of it...

It does make sense. Look at Kinicki from Grease on Celebrity Rehab? That's what he was doing.

Ohhh the 2hr finale....tear

Kinicki is an ABSOLUTE MESS!!!!

I know, and it's so sad. I thought he and his feathered hair were soooooooo cute back in his Taxi days.

Bizzaro Land

So the masseuse and housekeeper find him unresponsive (and probably already dead) YET instead of calling 911, the masseuse decides to call Mary-Kate Olsen first and then makes 3 more calls to her before FINALLY deciding to call 911. What. The. Hell?

The timeline:
At 3:17 p.m., she made a 49-second call to Olsen. At 3:20 p.m., she made another call, lasting 1 minute and 39 seconds. At 3:24 p.m., another call to Olsen. That one lasted 21 seconds.

Then, at 3:26 p.m., Wolozin called 911.

Hmmm.....is the masseuse........legal?

Why would you first call Mary-Kate? What is she going to do, coach you through CPR? Then she says she'll send her Private Security Team over. Again, baffled. Unless she knew he DID O.D. and they were going to control the damage before cops were called in?

You see someone unresponsive, lying on the floor, wouldn't the first thing running through your mind be to call an ambulance?

Not if you work in these circles. It's just like in the old days when a movie star died - the head of publicity at their studio was the first person called, not the police or an ambulance.

I also heard this morning that it wouldn't have mattered when they called the ambulance because he'd already been dead for a while.

Yeah I wonder why they haven't released the TOD. Isn't that when the Coroner jabs the thermometor in the liver to determine TOD? (At least that's how they do it on tv).
I remember Marilyn Monroe was dead for hours before they called the LA Coroner. The rich and famous don't like to call 911 in case they can "solve the problem" quietly w/o any publicity.

:(

TMZ is streaming video of his box being loaded into a hearse. :rolleyes: That's just too macabre for me.

I heard on the Today show this morning that the TOD was shortly after 1 pm

Who Was Heath Ledger's Masseuse

Supposedly, she doesn't have a license to practice in NY.

Dude, I hate the media.

WHO THE FUCK CARES

^^^Co-sign. She's a freakin' masseuse, where's the story? Move on.

I think the "big issue" was that (supposedly) in NY, you have to be trained in CPR to be a masseuse. If she wasn't licensed, she wouldn't have been able to "perform the CPR that could have saved his life" (even though he was reportedly deceased prior to her arrival).

But yea, I do agree, they need to move on to a new story. Quickly.

Well, you know, there are people who know CPR that aren't masseuses. Just because she wasn't certified in NY doesn't mean she didn't know CPR. I think last I heard, about one out of every three or four people in my state is certified in CPR.